From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 02:42:06 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5910316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from hobbiton.shire.net (hobbiton.shire.net [166.70.252.250]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CABA43D39 for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:06 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from chad@shire.net) Received: from [67.161.222.227] (helo=[192.168.99.68]) by hobbiton.shire.net with esmtpsa (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.43) id 1CznER-0009El-HJ for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:42:03 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) In-Reply-To: <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> References: <1108126229.4084.43.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2fd864e05021106537bdcff09@mail.gmail.com> <1108146951.31338.10.camel@hatter.wonderland.dn> <1935025570.20050211232605@wanadoo.fr> <420D5AC3.3000202@daleco.biz> <1165567623.20050212033457@wanadoo.fr> Message-Id: From: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:42:02 -0700 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 67.161.222.227 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: chad@shire.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.0 (2004-09-13) on hobbiton.shire.net X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_50 autolearn=disabled version=3.0.0 X-Spam-Level: X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.1+cvs (built Mon, 23 Aug 2004 08:44:05 -0700) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on hobbiton.shire.net) Subject: Re: Instead of freebsd.com, why not... X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 02:42:06 -0000 On Feb 11, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Anthony Atkielski wrote: > Kevin Kinsey writes: > >> IIRC, this was the sort of thing that caused a few people to >> killfile your address a couple years back. > > The sort of teenage-boy attitude that causes some people to killfile > others is one of the worst handicaps of the FreeBSD project. It is bad > enough that I hesitate to clearly recommend FreeBSD for any type of > serious use, simply because my reputation might suffer when anyone > using > the OS tries to actually talk to other users or persons involved with > the project. Give me a break. (See below) > > A case in point is the ridiculous argument and name-calling I see here > over Beastie. The kiddies are more worried about the fate of a cartoon > character than about the operating system it represents. When so many > people behave so petulantly over such trivial matters, it creates an > overall perception of immaturity that scares off serious potential > users > of the OS. One has the impression of trying to calm a classroom full of > first graders rather than discussing issues intelligently in a > conference room with professional peers. I can say with absolute > confidence that corporate decision makers who encounter this type of > behavior will permanently write off FreeBSD within minutes of seeing > it; > and I can't say that I blame them, as no CEO or CIO can afford to bet > millions of dollars on the capricious behavior of a bunch of > junior-high > kids. This is also ridiculous. No CEO or CIO is going to give a RAT's ASS about what is said in a mailing list about a particular product. If so, WIndows would have been dead years ago. (read some of the drivel posted in Windows mail lists). (On a related note: Balmer's big mouth hasn't killed Windows yet either). These mailing lists are not official mouthpieces of the FreeBSD project. If the FreeBSD projects website, official announcements, etc were like this, you'd have a case. But we are talking about a cross section of user's in unofficial channels. That does not mean a thing to these people. Chad