From owner-freebsd-isdn Tue Sep 15 04:36:21 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id EAA17328 for freebsd-isdn-outgoing; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:36:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (critter.freebsd.dk [212.242.40.131]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id EAA17314 for ; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 04:36:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from phk@critter.freebsd.dk) Received: from critter.freebsd.dk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by critter.freebsd.dk (8.9.1/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA28896; Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:31:20 +0200 (CEST) To: hm@kts.org, freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: i'll unsubscribe from isdn-freebsd In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 15 Sep 1998 12:50:57 PDT." <35FEC521.60C9@HDZ-IMA.RWTH-Aachen.de> Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 13:31:20 +0200 Message-ID: <28894.905859080@critter.freebsd.dk> From: Poul-Henning Kamp Sender: owner-freebsd-isdn@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: > other thing is the reaction or non-reaction in public and private of > the FreeBSD core team regarding an open letter published on -hackers > which indicate that it is neither necessary nor worth nor appreciated > to contribute to FreeBSD and all is fine as long as one shuts up. Hellmuth, To put it bluntly, the core team was concerned but more confused about and by the open letter, but it had little substance we could actually attach anything to. It was a little bit like sending a letter to the security council of the UN telling them that you're concerned about their performance. There is little they or we can do about our performance, except to do what we've been doing all along: our best. (And we continue to do that of course, open letter or not.) And belive me, we're concerned about our (and the projects as such) performance both in particular and specifics, I think we spent more than 70% of the core-lite meeting time in New Orleans discussing organizational issues. If you have specific suggestions for how to improve things in the FreeBSD project, which doesn't contain language constructs along the form of "somebody should", then please by all means forward them. Saying "somebody should" doesn't work unless you can tell somebody that they're not getting paid unless they realize that "somebody" is them. We don't have access to that caliber of management tools in the FreeBSD project. Remember "Rough concensus & working code". -- Poul-Henning Kamp FreeBSD coreteam member phk@FreeBSD.ORG "Real hackers run -current on their laptop." "ttyv0" -- What UNIX calls a $20K state-of-the-art, 3D, hi-res color terminal To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-isdn" in the body of the message