From owner-freebsd-alpha Tue Jun 6 20: 1:36 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-alpha@freebsd.org Received: from smtp05.primenet.com (smtp05.primenet.com [206.165.6.135]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8874037B6D8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:01:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp05.primenet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA04284; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:01:39 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp05.primenet.com, id smtpdAAAluaWui; Tue Jun 6 20:01:31 2000 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id UAA07539; Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:01:19 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <200006070301.UAA07539@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: JDK status? To: cjs@cynic.net (Curt Sampson) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 03:01:18 +0000 (GMT) Cc: K.J.Koster@kpn.com (Koster K.J.), phiber@radicalmedia.com (Mark Abene), freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: from "Curt Sampson" at Jun 06, 2000 09:19:47 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-alpha@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org > > Nate Williams just made a unofficial, off-the-record, speculative > > pre-announcement on freebsd-java. Basically he says that at JavaOne there > > should be a happy surprise for Java/FreeBSD people. > > Yeah, but this worries me, because where does this leave the NetBSD > folks? I hope this isn't going to be `FreeBSD gets to join the > little clique with Linux whilst all other free software is left > out in the cold.' This is a very good reason for the BSD camps to standardize on an ABI sonner rather than later, so that this type of thing becomes impossible. BTW: By "impossible", I mean that the ABI standard should be able to shut _off_ OS specific differences, so that developers do not depend on them in their code. That means you could go to the store and get "BSD xxx" or "BSD yyy" and be able to expect it to work on any BSD platform (assuming the processor type was the same). This would also be incredibly attractive to vendors; if anyone has gone looking at the "Zend" PHP optimizer, they will see that there is exactly one FreeBSD version and *three* different Linux versions to account for incompatibilities between Linux distributions. Let's not do the same to BSD. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-alpha" in the body of the message