From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 27 17:41:56 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33C516A4CE for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:41:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [217.160.230.41]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1200343D1F for ; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:41:56 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from dark@sun.com) Received: from cpe-66-24-105-49.stny.res.rr.com[66.24.105.49] (helo=mxus.perfora.net) by mrelay.perfora.net with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKyxe-1DFbln0rKd-0002jc; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:41:51 -0500 Received: by mxus.perfora.net (Postfix, from userid 1001) id CC6907733; Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:41:37 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:41:37 -0500 From: Dev Tugnait To: em1897@aol.com Message-ID: <20050327174137.GF812@blood.spawn.net> References: <9e46c99e05032514415054a44e@mail.gmail.com> <4244962A.6090607@makeworld.com> <8C700348197B88C-EAC-39749@mblk-d17.sysops.aol.com> <42458C4C.9040603@makeworld.com> <8C700417DCC63B0-380-38F13@mblk-d39.sysops.aol.com> <20050326215959.5c342118@localhost> <8C700FE8F93100E-4B8-3C321@mblk-d50.sysops.aol.com> <4246DFFE.2020707@makeworld.com> <8C70103096F17C4-450-3B03B@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <8C70103096F17C4-450-3B03B@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://unixdaemon.org X-Operating-System: Unix/5.3-RELEASE-p5 (i386) X-Uptime: 12:40PM up 4 days, 5:23, 19 users, load averages: 0.08, 0.09, 0.11 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Provags-ID: perfora.net abuse@perfora.net login:86279ff966a67224e572428c23b4bcb0 cc: questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: A Riddle X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:41:56 -0000 I sticky this thread as retarded. * em1897@aol.com (em1897@aol.com) wrote: > Apparently you can't read. I didn't say you were an > idiot for running your own server. Only that you > were an idiot to use your server to download > tons of crap from lists that you don't want to > read when for free you can have it stored elsewhere. >=20 > I have a server, and a domain (several) and lots of > other cool stuff. I got tired of wasting cpu cycles > and disk space, considering that maybe 1 out of 20 > messages actually interests me. You guys always > complain about wasted bandwidth. Well if you use > yahoo or gmail or aol then you don't waste any bandwidth > of your own. You just read what you want to read. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris > To: em1897@aol.com > Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; freebsd-listen@fabiankeil.de > Sent: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 10:31:58 -0600 > Subject: Re: A Riddle >=20 > em1897@aol.com wrote:=A0 > =A0 > >-----Original Message-----=A0 > >From: Fabian Keil =A0 > >To: em1897@aol.com=A0 > >Cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org=A0 > >Sent: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 21:59:59 +0100=A0 > >Subject: Re: A Riddle=A0 > >> em1897@aol.com wrote:=A0 > >>> --- Chris wrote:=A0 > >>> em1897@aol.com wrote:=A0 > >>> > Hmm, I wonder if the lack of performance, or the=A0 > >>> unwanted=A0 > >>> > emails were more heavily weighted in the=A0 > >>> decision?=A0 > >>> >=A0 > >>> > If there was any intelligent life on the list you=A0 > >>> could=A0 > >>> > counter what you call "Trolls" with solid technical=A0 > >>> > arguments. This reminds me of the old bsdi=A0 > >>> > list. A bunch of half-wits who are just happy=A0 > >>> > to belong to something and have other half-wits=A0 > >>> > to correspond with.=A0 > >>> >=A0 > >>> > FreeBSD used to have open discussions between=A0 > >>> > users and developers and it used to be real=A0 > >>> > good. Now it sucks and the developers are=A0 > >>> > detached, off in their own little world. See=A0 > >>> > a pattern?=A0 > >>> >=A0 > >>> > But with a user base from places like gnu-rox.org=A0 > >>> > and makeworld.com, what do you expect I=A0 > >>> > guess?=A0 > >> > Please have a look at your own email address.=A0 > >>> As an aside, all of the major web mail providers=A0 > >>default to "top posting". Google (ever hear=A0 > >>of them?) only shows the top N lines of a post.=A0 > >>So if you bottom post, you don't see the message=A0 > >>you want to see=A0 > >>without having to make an effort. So when are=A0 > >>you troglodytes going to climb out of your=A0 > >>1994 hibernations and get with the times?=A0 > >> > They don't default to top posting, they put=A0 > >the cursor on top, so you can read the whole=A0 > >message and cut irrelevant parts before replying.=A0 > >> If Google doesn't display the whole message,=A0 > >the interface is crap. That's not the fault of=A0 > >anybody on this list.=A0 > >>> You may prefer one over the other, but its=A0 > >>hardly a capital offense to do otherwise. Most=A0 > >>of us have evolved out of our unix newsreaders.=A0 > >> > If you want to be read by as many people=A0 > >as possible on this list, the easiest way is=A0 > >to write well formed mails.=A0 > >> Unfortunately, you are not only top posting,=A0 > >your mailing software also inserts line breaks=A0 > >where there shouldn't be any and makes it=A0 > >hard to see who wrote what.=A0 > >> Have a look at the beginning of this mail.=A0 > >Your quotation is a mess.=A0 > >>> Anyone with a brain is using web mail for=A0 > >>mailing lists these days: no more whining=A0 > >>about spam or "wasted bandwidth".=A0 > >> > Having a brain is good, but using it is even better.=A0 > >If the web interface produces garbage, changing=A0 > >the interface could be a smart move.=A0 > >> Just my two brainless cents.=A0 > >> Fabian=A0 > >-- > http://www.fabiankeil.de=A0 > >=A0 > *** Formatted correctly for ease of reading ***=A0 > =A0 > em1897@aol.com wrote:=A0 > >WRONG on all counts!=A0 > >=A0 > >Firstly, anyone who uses their own server for lists is=A0 > >a complete idiot.=A0 > =A0 > So - according to YOU, most all of us that run our own servers are=20 > idiots. Yanno what? You sound like the type that is forced to use his=20 > parents PC, Forced to use AOL, and forced to use web mail.=A0 > =A0 > So - since YOU can't have what most of us can and do have, you feel the= =20 > need to lash out and verbally abuse.=A0 > =A0 > This is a classic case of the have-nots are beside them selfs over the=20 > haves.=A0 > =A0 > It's one thing to say something like:=A0 > =A0 > It's my opinion that (insert rhetoric here)=A0 > =A0 > Then to make a sweeping generalization as you just did. Shows us what=20 > kind a man (or boy) you are.=A0 > =A0 > Grow up - show some respect, don't insult - you will live longer when=20 > you do join society.=A0 > =A0 > And, as I said before - even tho you may bash us, think you are=20 > superior to us - we still love you anyways.=A0 > =A0 > Oh, and have a great day!=A0 > =A0 > -- Best regards,=A0 > Chris=A0 > =A0 > If on an actuarial basis there is a 50 50 chance that=A0 > something will go wrong,=A0 > It will actually go wrong nine times out of ten.=A0 > _______________________________________________=A0 > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list=A0 > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions=A0 > To unsubscribe, send any mail to=20 > "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"=A0 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.o= rg" +----------=3D=3D/\/\=3D=3D----------+ (__) FreeBSD = =20 | | \\\'',) The = =20 | Kernel ESCAFLOWNE | \/ \ ^ Power = =20 | Web http://unixdaemon.org | .\._/_) To = =20 +----------=3D=3D\/\/=3D=3D----------+ Serve=20 [ We've switched the bath sponge with a tribble. ]=20