From owner-freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Tue Jul 21 06:31:11 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9367379692 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (mailman.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:13]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B9pdW4ZZfz4Cq8 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 9B22E379427; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: x11@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE3837934E for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:3]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B9pdW3hdFz4CYb for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org (kenobi.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::50:1d]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by mxrelay.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62A7E19BDB for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: from kenobi.freebsd.org ([127.0.1.5]) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id 06L6VBcl022266 for ; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) Received: (from www@localhost) by kenobi.freebsd.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id 06L6VBrw022265 for x11@FreeBSD.org; Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 GMT (envelope-from bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org) X-Authentication-Warning: kenobi.freebsd.org: www set sender to bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org using -f From: bugzilla-noreply@freebsd.org To: x11@FreeBSD.org Subject: [Bug 247441] graphics/gpu-firmware-kmod and or graphics/drm-fbsd11.2-kmod crashing 11.2 to 11.4 with a Radeon HD 5770 card Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:10 +0000 X-Bugzilla-Reason: AssignedTo CC X-Bugzilla-Type: changed X-Bugzilla-Watch-Reason: None X-Bugzilla-Product: Ports & Packages X-Bugzilla-Component: Individual Port(s) X-Bugzilla-Version: Latest X-Bugzilla-Keywords: X-Bugzilla-Severity: Affects Some People X-Bugzilla-Who: danfe@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Status: Open X-Bugzilla-Resolution: X-Bugzilla-Priority: --- X-Bugzilla-Assigned-To: x11@FreeBSD.org X-Bugzilla-Flags: X-Bugzilla-Changed-Fields: Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Bugzilla-URL: https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/ Auto-Submitted: auto-generated MIME-Version: 1.0 X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 06:31:11 -0000 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D247441 --- Comment #15 from Alexey Dokuchaev --- (In reply to Warner Losh from comment #13) > The graphics drivers are highly sensitive to many things most other drive= rs > are not. Could you elaborate a bit more on this? When DRM bits were in the base, FreeBSD had offered awesome graphics experience, despite that it was claimed those bits were actually not maintained very well. That was just 2-3 years ago, then we started to deteriorate rapidly. What had changed? Why did we allow it? Why no one waived the red flag? > There's enough churn, even in stable, in the parts of the kernel that mat= ter > the graphics team is unable to provide much, if any, support for non-rele= ased > versions of FreeBSD (plus very recent current and stable branches). This just means that there's bad communication and coordination of developm= ent efforts between the graphics team and src team. In other words, our process sucks (that's how our users see it). > Maybe there is something different, maybe not, in the 11.4-PRERELEASE, ma= ybe > it will work, maybe not Well, these "maybenots" make us look pretty bad, that's for sure. I keep receiving emails about more users switching from FreeBSD to GNU/Linux preci= sely because of lack of focus and uncertainty even among developers themselves. --=20 You are receiving this mail because: You are the assignee for the bug. You are on the CC list for the bug.=