From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 1 09:28:08 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E089106566B for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:28:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@e.0x20.net) Received: from mail.0x20.net (mail.0x20.net [217.69.67.217]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38AFC8FC24 for ; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 09:28:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.0x20.net (Postfix, from userid 1002) id 7B15E3A581; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:28:06 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:28:06 +0200 From: Lars Engels To: Brooks Davis Message-ID: <20100601092806.GW41305@e.0x20.net> References: <20100529130240.GA99732@freebsd.org> <20100530135859.GI83316@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <508DA8CE-749A-46B4-AF0B-392DB08CBBCD@samsco.org> <20100531095617.GR83316@deviant.kiev.zoral.com.ua> <71B7DEC2-1ABE-4333-8C8E-02F899D2449B@samsco.org> <4C03DD4B.9020209@infracaninophile.co.uk> <4C043DAB.1050206@freebsd.org> <20100531230103.GG31972@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="DHnhIMemoiGGMQp1" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100531230103.GG31972@lor.one-eyed-alien.net> X-Editor: VIM - Vi IMproved 7.2 X-Operation-System: FreeBSD 5.5-RELEASE-p19 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: Daniel Eischen , Tim Kientzle , Matthew Seaman , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [TESTING]: ClangBSD branch needs testing before the import to HEAD X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2010 09:28:08 -0000 --DHnhIMemoiGGMQp1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 06:01:03PM -0500, Brooks Davis wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 03:52:27PM -0700, Tim Kientzle wrote: > > Matthew Seaman wrote: > >> Presumably the import of clang to the base does > >> not mean the immediate removal of gcc. > >=20 > > Of course not. > >=20 > > I'm not part of core and don't know what they > > may have discussed, but I went through some hoops > > to replace 'tar' and 'cpio' in the base system > > and have some idea what approach we might take > > with clang: > >=20 > > I would expect FreeBSD 9 to ship with both > > compilers, with gcc as the default for 'cc'. > > So users of 9-STABLE would see and use gcc > > unless they specifically chose to use clang. > >=20 > > Even if we did decide to switch the default > > for FreeBSD 10, it's possible we would continue > > to install gcc as part of the base system > > (just not as 'cc'). > >=20 > > So realistically, some form of gcc will be built > > and installed by default for a few more years. > > Beyond that, it depends partly on how well clang > > does and partly on how many problems we have with > > an increasingly out-of-date gcc. >=20 > Exactly. We will need to take some risks here, but nuking gcc from the > tree won't be one of them for a while. >=20 > I just sent a link to current and arch with links to the toolchain > summit wiki page and a summary of the results. I encorage interested > parties to read what is there and provide constructive suggestions. It would be useful to exclude clang or gcc from the build manually. Both both gcc and clang take a long time to compile. --DHnhIMemoiGGMQp1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkwE0qYACgkQKc512sD3afjj8ACdFho4hcumjnp1oN1HMh3Gl1Xh dP0AnRrWHkWwxdJK0eT2G8skpCS0oBRE =0wx6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --DHnhIMemoiGGMQp1--