From owner-freebsd-advocacy Thu Apr 23 13:55:03 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA23896 for freebsd-advocacy-outgoing; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:55:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw01.execpc.com (mailgw01.execpc.com [169.207.16.9]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA23850 for ; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:54:34 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (atrios-56.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.83.184]) by mailgw01.execpc.com (8.8.8) id PAA04550; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:54:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA01698; Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:54:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199804232054.PAA01698@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 15:54:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Frank Pawlak Subject: Re: salesman is thinking..... To: stuart@internationalschool.co.uk cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <353F2D74.6FDFE67D@internationalschool.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 23 Apr, Stuart Henderson wrote: > Stefanos Kiakas wrote: >> >> We should not compete with GUI, but it should be possible to >> perform minimal tasks with a GUI tool. >> >> >> I agree. I only suggested setting up a 'port-driven' GUI/Personal >> >> Station because I thought it would be a quick (read minimum effort) >> >> answer to the PC wannatryit's we get queries from. I _like_ the >> >> CLI, although I'm for 18 years a programmer. > >> How is placing a GUI tool as a front end destroying BSD? Take >> for example adduser on FreeBSD 2.2.5. > > etc. etc. > http://www.caldera.com/coas/ seems to have some very good ideas. > > To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org > with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message I agree. The above mentioned Coas project is a good idea for those of us that are tired of the evil empire's OS and desire to try something different, whether FreeBSD or Linux. In some quadrants this is viewed as the dumbing down of UNIX. That is not necessarily the case. Not all users have the time required to learn all the insides of administering an operating system. They simply need an OS that will allow them to get their jobs done, and not become a systems admin. Not every user has the capability to develop the skills to admin an OS in detail. If M$ is the real enemy, and given the fact that most users are not capable of system admin skills, then at least offering the option of an easier to use user interface makes good sense. This is no way represents the dumbing down of anything. It is simply an issue of accessability that will attract the new user. The way things stand, most people are scared to hell of UNIX because of its reputation of being hard to use. Frank -- ----------------------------- "At no time is freedom of speech more precious then when a man hits his thumb with a hammer." -- Marshall Lumsden To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message