From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 29 01:26:13 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2AA51065675 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:26:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from akirchhoff135014@comcast.net) Received: from qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.212]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FCD8FC14 for ; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:26:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.89]) by qmta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1cyv1h0041vN32cAEdD1RW; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:13:01 +0000 Received: from sorrow.ashke.com ([174.57.84.251]) by omta22.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 1dCj1h00S5RMJ3S8idCjh1; Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:12:44 +0000 Message-ID: <4E0A7C1A.7030302@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2011 21:12:58 -0400 From: Adam K Kirchhoff User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; FreeBSD amd64; en-US; rv:1.9.2.17) Gecko/20110505 Thunderbird/3.1.10 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michal Varga References: <20110623221305.43b74d53@davenulle.org> <1308902182.1748.3.camel@xenon> <20110628201715.1d541eca@davenulle.org> <1309304880.1743.25.camel@xenon> <1309308802.1743.52.camel@xenon> In-Reply-To: <1309308802.1743.52.camel@xenon> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Graphic card that works? X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 01:26:13 -0000 On 06/28/11 20:53, Michal Varga wrote: > On Tue, 2011-06-28 at 19:21 -0500, Zhihao Yuan wrote: >> So you agree with that Nvidia drivers are not stable. > No, I don't agree. Software has bugs. What a shocker. More news at > eleven. > > >> I agree with it >> because my roommate has 2 boxes running Nvidia cards and their >> official binary drivers. He suffered from the unstable video and the >> incomplete Xcomposite supports a lot. > There is no "unstable video" with Nvidia drivers. There is completely > horribly totally locking video (along with the rest of the computer), > IF: > > 1. you run VDPAU acceleration --> > 2. you run it through metacity compositor (as far as I know, KDE > compositor doesn't produce this effect, but I'm not a KDE user and I > have no idea what they use, and how much and when does it apply). Some > other compositors might trigger the same bug, I don't know. Metacity > definitely does. > > This is a known issue. Software has bugs. If you hate it that much at > this somewhat late hour, you're always free to write a better one, I > guess. > > Or, as a workaround, you can turn off the (almost close to pointless) > compositor until that specific issue gets solved. I did the latter and > never lost my sleep because of it. Having spent plenty of time both using nvidia hardware and watching the nvnews linux and FreeBSD forums, I know that the nvidia drivers are not nearly as stable for everyone as they are for you. Just deal with this fact. Patrick is clearly unhappy with the nvidia drivers. Zhihao as well. As am I. So please stop trying to force users to your specific perspective. If you can't contribute positively to the conversation about what non-nvidia PCIe cards Patrick has to choose from, then please just stop talking. Adam