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[209.85.128.169]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 00721157ae682-7a370902c06sm66512497b3.30.2026.04.07.00.48.49 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Apr 2026 00:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-79cd8f8e261so31063797b3.3 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2026 00:48:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Forwarded-Encrypted: i=1; AJvYcCXpN2Qd7Tt1QiSDyZu22XnW/s6Jfneh86GVC/gXFMLAyRuRwuQOAHaIQA9cW9nilqI0uaQ/Q4JKQqzAobdlHZ7Kn2C5gjwt@freebsd.org X-Received: by 2002:a05:690c:e731:b0:79a:7157:879 with SMTP id 00721157ae682-7a4d6057c17mr122315497b3.50.1775548129024; Tue, 07 Apr 2026 00:48:49 -0700 (PDT) List-Id: Commits to the main branch of the FreeBSD ports repository List-Archive: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/dev-commits-ports-main List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-BeenThere: dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org Sender: owner-dev-commits-ports-main@FreeBSD.org MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <69d03cf2.430ed.2d4d8408@gitrepo.freebsd.org> <37778713-0656-4edf-83d5-0b7a84bceb8e@freebsd.org> <3d372c89-9f77-4033-80e0-6cec0781d568@freebsd.org> <8648dad5-11cc-4a79-83e2-47edfb5b99e1@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: From: Gleb Popov Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2026 10:48:19 +0300 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: X-Gm-Features: AQROBzA2aiP-Fpb_u8a-efevPQH2ZlnIDKocqESkqWo-Tx5n9Vw8739rGXif19w Message-ID: Subject: Re: git: ef9180aa8469 - main - science/py-scipy: update to 1.17.1 To: Alexey Dokuchaev Cc: Vladimir Druzenko , Charlie Li , ports-committers , dev-commits-ports-all@freebsd.org, dev-commits-ports-main@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Rspamd-Pre-Result: action=no action; module=replies; Message is reply to one we originated X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.00 / 15.00]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:209.85.128.0/17, country:US] X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4fqdcM5pyLz3t7b X-Spamd-Bar: ---- On Tue, Apr 7, 2026 at 9:40=E2=80=AFAM Alexey Dokuchaev = wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 07, 2026 at 08:28:16AM +0200, Gleb Popov wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2026, 02:54 Vladimir Druzenko wrote: > > > 05.04.2026 00:54, Charlie Li =D0=BF=D0=B8=D1=88=D0=B5=D1=82: > > > > ... > > > > This part is unspoken, but bears speaking and documenting somewhere > > > > better than bugzilla and mailing lists: building Python packages on= a > > > > live environment, ie without environment separation like virtual > > > > environments or jails (poudriere included) is not supported, even i= f > > > > the ports framework makes it technically possible to try. > > > > > > You just wrote that one of the main advantages of FreeBSD over other > > > operating systems "is not supported". > > > > Building in an non-isolated environment is certainly not an advantage a= nd > > even does not have anything to do with the OS. > > It is a huge advantage and it *is* about the OS because FreeBSD is one of > the very few offering this out of the box. It might not appeal to you > particularly, but many of us heavily depend on this great feature! Building on the host is a natural foundation for building in isolation. We = enter the jail and then invoke plain make. It is the same for Linux even with cra= ppy RPM - there is rpmbuild that stands for our make and there is mock/koji for poudriere. But I digress. The bottom line is that the only supported way to build pack= ages for FreeBSD is Poudriere, so I'm asking for 100th time to stop grumbling on the ML about breakages that you've chosen to bump into.