From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Feb 12 03:20:16 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CC6316A4CE for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ms-smtp-02-eri0.socal.rr.com (ms-smtp-02-qfe0.socal.rr.com [66.75.162.134]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C90A143D1F for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:15 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from hoe-waa@hawaii.rr.com) Received: from localhost.localdomain (cpe-66-8-191-104.hawaii.rr.com [66.8.191.104])j1C3KB6V027688; Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:20:12 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Marella To: Eric Kjeldergaard In-Reply-To: References: <200502112325.j1BNPw201164@clunix.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2005 17:23:31 -1000 Message-Id: <1108178611.46376.17.camel@p4> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.3 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine cc: Jerry McAllister cc: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Please don't change Beastie to another crap logo such as X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 03:20:16 -0000 On Fri, 2005-02-11 at 19:18 -0600, Eric Kjeldergaard wrote: > > If I can remember correctly, I have received help from both of you on > > some of my previous posts. I thank you and I always enjoy reading your > > view points. > > (speaking on behalf of Jerry as well as myself, and making some wild > assumptions about Jerry based on his previous posts) Always glad to > help. That's kind of what we are here for. > > > We have all run into a problem with a printer, NIC, scanner that is "not > > supported" by FreeBSD because the vendor will not release the drivers or > > code needed to build a driver. > > Actually, I haven't. I know some people that have, but generally > between using the hardware list and buying hardware that isn't > obscure, I have no problems with support for hardware. The FreeBSD > team goes way beyond my expectations again and again. Agreed, but have you never inherited control over a system with hardware you did not purchase? > > > The vendor could care less if our mascot is a daemon or Mount Fujiyama. > > The vendor looks at the bottom line. How much engineer/programmer time > > will it take and can I recover the investment. The vendor looks at the > > number of installed systems and the competition for his product and > > makes a _business_ decision. > > Seems about right. That is how capitalism functions.. > > > Anthony's point, and I agree, is that everything will grow when our OS > > is taken for its strengths. It is difficult to get to the point of our > > strengths when the Suits see a representation of what they perceive as; > > childish or anti-christ or cartoonish whether justified or not. First > > impressions are important. > > Might be true, though fBSD has come as far as it has without the aid > of these Suits in question. It's certainly not about to stop growth > without them. Growth is a natural thing. If we have 2% of the market and we grow 5% but the market grows 20%, we loose share. Vendors look at the market. We need to capture a larger share to make them sit up and take notice. > But I don't disagree that having more support from > people that matter would be nice. > > > P.S. I like beastie... but I like the OS much better! > > Same here. Though beastie is pretty seksii. > >