From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Oct 30 19:05:07 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7718316A4CE; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:05:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from gw.catspoiler.org (217-ip-163.nccn.net [209.79.217.163]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C24AB43FBF; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:05:06 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Received: from FreeBSD.org (mousie.catspoiler.org [192.168.101.2]) by gw.catspoiler.org (8.12.9p2/8.12.9) with ESMTP id h9V34ueF033773; Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:05:00 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from truckman@FreeBSD.org) Message-Id: <200310310305.h9V34ueF033773@gw.catspoiler.org> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 19:04:56 -0800 (PST) From: Don Lewis To: strick@covad.net In-Reply-To: <200310301808.h9UI8qaZ000347@ice.nodomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii cc: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.org cc: scottl@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: 4.9 is now available X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:05:07 -0000 On 30 Oct, Dan Strick wrote: > Scott Long wrote: >> >> 5.x uses an entirely different mechanism to make the CD bootable. The >> mechanism used in 4.x is similar to what Microsoft used for the Windows >> 95/98 CD's (Emulated El-Torito), while 5.x uses a similar mechanism as >> Windows 2000/XP (Non-Emulated El-Torito). Since Microsoft only requires >> support for the second method in order to award the MS logo, I suspect >> that support for the first method is starting to die out in mainstream >> BIOSes. > > Some possibly relevant/confirming data points: > 1) My Win98 CD fails to boot on my new machine. > 2) My Win98SE CD boots correctly. > 3) My WinXP CD boots correctly. > > This could prove very inconvenient for a lot of people who are > now buying new machines and hope to run FreeBSD 4.9 because it > has better support for modern motherboard devices. I tested > 4.9-prerelease support for all of my motherboard devices, but > it never occurred to me to test the CD bootstrap. Can older machines boot from Non-Emulated El-Torito CDs? If not, it might be nice to be able to generate CDs of either flavor. This would be painful for FreeBSD CD vendors, though ...