From owner-freebsd-chat Wed May 20 14:57:36 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA20263 for freebsd-chat-outgoing; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:38:05 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA20044 for ; Wed, 20 May 1998 13:36:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from fpawlak@execpc.com) Received: from darkstar.connect.com (harconia-2-35.mdm.mke.execpc.com [169.207.132.163]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.8.8) id PAA06713; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:36:22 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from fpawlak@localhost) by darkstar.connect.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA01693; Wed, 20 May 1998 15:36:22 -0500 (CDT) From: "Frank Pawlak" Message-Id: <980520203622.ZM1692@darkstar.connect.com> Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 20:36:22 +0000 In-Reply-To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" "Re: Why we should support Microsoft..." (May 20, 1:20pm) References: <21723.895695616@time.cdrom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (5.0.0 30July97) To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , "Frank Pawlak" Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... Cc: Amancio Hasty , Gary Kline , freebsd@atipa.com (Atipa), freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.org On May 20, 1:20pm, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > Subject: Re: Why we should support Microsoft... > > This is your lament. You speak with mixed voices. First you favor to fight > > your own battles, as do I. Then you say you don't care whether M$ has you on > > the hit list. I have seen numerous post where you expressed the joy and > > I see absolutely nothing "mixed" about that at all and can't even > imagine a position where they would be perceived as such. > Are any of us getting any work done today??? Hell with that, this has been an interesting and challenging mind exercise ;-) All of the reasons why I gave up doing economics. > > where free software is used, but don't try to convince me that a person with > > your passion being involved with the FreeBSD project won't feel a big loss if > > M$ or anyone else sould crush the project. That my friend is impingment on y > > Ummm.. How can I explain this. It's sort of like that old saw about > how a person has the right to his own (conflicting) opinions and any > right-thinking person will fight for that person's ability to _have_ > an opinion conflicting with his own. That's what freedom is all about. > If Microsoft stomps us flat and > the market "allows" this to happen by not embracing our technology > instead then what's the reward for me in trying to lead a foolish and > undeserving market away from the consequences of its own folly? None. > That's only a recipe for heartache and I'll be much more inclined to > return my attention to the much-neglected (for me) subject of > Oceanography before I'll waste my time and energies in such fruitless > pursuits. > > Fortunately, the market is neither so foolish nor undeserving as that > at present, so that scenario isn't something I have to contend with. > With any luck, we'll also manage to continue to reach a sigificant > percentage of the market with our message and perhaps Microsoft will > help us here and there by stepping on its dick and yielding us the > occasional tactical advantage - who knows how it will go? > > Either way, it's really the _market_ that will and should decide this > and if it it's savvy enough to adopt our solutions when they're the > best available then cool - we're in! I hope that you are right. M$ maybe too well entrenched for this to happen. Wouldn't be the first time that excellent technology lost to inferior through market power. The Beta vs VHS vcr story comes immediately to mind as an example. >If not, well, we'll be redundant > anyway and I can always go back to studying fish. > So, is it studing fish or developing excellent software that clangs you bell? Frank > - Jordan >-- End of excerpt from Jordan K. Hubbard To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message