From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 8 22:09:16 2013 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AB6993F for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 22:09:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peter@wemm.org) Received: from mail-vc0-x229.google.com (mail-vc0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c03::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D9D4026D3 for ; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 22:09:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-vc0-f169.google.com with SMTP id ib11so536624vcb.28 for ; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:09:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=wemm.org; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=cJDMcNq2ZLThIZJq71CmBFS9LiaOQfULNwYOjaI/SYU=; b=04yd0Gr6pvYl6knkWDXUuRHKuixDdZ1SuH5UOkASjcXHiCrFNtB/goii+qPYNsMZwI +/npA8FigTHJbaVkEysfDcWUeawDm7XrVcPDpk13XrJUp6JIWO6Rrw7X44MaqTNy+cGU FTeO1XKx8u1+mQNtC8NlJ5HQ4YPi9k8vTIdZ4= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=cJDMcNq2ZLThIZJq71CmBFS9LiaOQfULNwYOjaI/SYU=; b=PGtHSGNQJi6Jv/tDqThTbNZ9mrKPYvIPjomzBnK11jHJZSUCISk5CsPv6u3NEQbgpg jIsXxg1oWkcfLta9TXsNXc19XIVXtUsVTTb/lPHPxZuBgzisvn4UHMrGwvh4cKzqpybm RdfKZvotSh/lXTLIAzKt+Qy+uGDOZtbcgJJRt3NwXhuQS2RKhMuXeuLZhcFm6u4kEWFi 3o9KoU4Y6wpjuoCqolXteW60P/KGS/I7UfKLj0mU5MELLC7SCS8enycNcvHcu7LtBJRz GRzhU73QaQkXQ/CfpUBlhkSPIj2yOaoxrLTm44WR5soJQ0pcEjVZKM/odN11zhFpLB38 srIw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnidgE6H++36N8HTCKY+WZF3S1A2lnOTuZ5H/YP6NcxfqigezXOY2QF0/xjQ/jRN1Z3NKG7 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.22.4 with SMTP id z4mr3638828vde.115.1375999754950; Thu, 08 Aug 2013 15:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.167.74 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:09:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201308081023.53040.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <20130807182858.GA79286@dragon.NUXI.org> <20130807192736.GA7099@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <201308081023.53040.jhb@freebsd.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2013 15:09:14 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: random(4) plugin infrastructure for mulitple RNG in a modular fashion From: Peter Wemm To: John Baldwin Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Arthur Mesh , secteam@freebsd.org, Steve Kargl , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2013 22:09:16 -0000 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 7:23 AM, John Baldwin wrote: > On Wednesday, August 07, 2013 4:20:29 pm Peter Wemm wrote: [..] > The counter to this is that in the recent past, any suggestion to add anything > to DEFAULTS was met with "that's the wrong way". In actual fact, changes > to GENERIC happen quite often, and we often break older kernel configs from > older branches (ATA_CAM is no longer in 10 for example). I'm not sure I buy > the argument that we can never break kernel configs from older branches. I was talking about changes that break configs without detection. ATA_CAM is different. If the kernel fails to configure or compile, you fix it and repeat. The original patch meant your working kernel config built/installed without the slightest hint that something was wrong until it was a brick after boot. That's what I was taking issue with. -- Peter Wemm - peter@wemm.org; peter@FreeBSD.org; peter@yahoo-inc.com; KI6FJV UTF-8: for when a ' just won\342\200\231t do. ZFS must be the bacon of file systems. "everything's better with ZFS"