From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Aug 30 14:39:37 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 213671065676; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:39:37 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Received: from mailrelay006.isp.belgacom.be (mailrelay006.isp.belgacom.be [195.238.6.172]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DD48FC21; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:39:36 +0000 (UTC) X-Belgacom-Dynamic: yes X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjEFAK96P1BbsRDj/2dsb2JhbABFt0yDMoEIgiABAQVWIgEQCw4KCRYPCQMCAQIBJx4GDQEHAQGIDbw8iwiGWQOOYIEglWuCZQ Received: from 227.16-177-91.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (HELO kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org) ([91.177.16.227]) by relay.skynet.be with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2012 16:39:28 +0200 Received: from kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org [127.0.0.1]) by kalimero.tijl.coosemans.org (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q7UEdRJU065360; Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:28 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from tijl@coosemans.org) Message-ID: <503F7B15.6050607@coosemans.org> Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 16:39:17 +0200 From: Tijl Coosemans User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD i386; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120804 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Baldwin References: <97612B57-1255-4BB3-A6D3-FC74324C6D67@FreeBSD.org> <20120826200246.GC3535@grinsebacke.dyndns.org> <503A8921.6010609@FreeBSD.org> <201208271224.20329.jhb@freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <201208271224.20329.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.4.2 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig955F759C31B3875E62113914" Cc: freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Doug Barton Subject: Re: pkgng suggestion: renaming /usr/sbin/pkg to /usr/sbin/pkg-bootstrap X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2012 14:39:37 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig955F759C31B3875E62113914 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27-08-2012 18:24, John Baldwin wrote: > On Sunday, August 26, 2012 4:37:53 pm Doug Barton wrote: >> The problem is that we don't really support the idea of things in the >> base magically deleting themselves. >> >> As I have said in previous messages, the bootstrapping problem is bein= g >> overblown by several orders of magnitude. For newly installed systems >> where pkg is the default, /usr/local/bin/pkg will be installed. So the= re >> is no bootstrapping problem. >> >> For already-installed systems who wish to switch to pkg, they can >> install from /usr/ports, or use the pkg bootstrap tool in the base. >> Given that they will be intentionally making this change, and there wi= ll >> be instructions written up on how to do this which include the >> bootstrapping step, once again this is a non-issue. >> >> The whole idea of having every call to /usr/local/sbin/pkg pass throug= h >> /usr/sbin/pkg in order to help a tiny minority of users with a one-tim= e >> bootstrapping issue is just plain ludicrous. >=20 > I agree. Even if we keep /usr/sbin/pkg, we will presumably want to rem= ove > it from the base in a year or so via 'make delete-old', etc. Given tha= t, > I'm not sure we need it there in the first place. What if you pkg_delete \* or rm -rf /usr/local? Do you have to "reboot" pkg then? --------------enig955F759C31B3875E62113914 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (FreeBSD) iF4EAREIAAYFAlA/ex4ACgkQfoCS2CCgtivxHgD/SzCo2swJ4pxWJ9S4TpJAiQ7j 3WbB5f8OF5lTKgnGq58A/1B+VSNEYD4LnzOL09zay7yuAoUkgp3VRvlR8aQwNXNR =NWBN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig955F759C31B3875E62113914--