From owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 13 05:02:19 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B080B16A4CE for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92.asp.att.net [63.240.76.166]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DF043D48 for ; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd@nbritton.org) Received: from [192.168.1.10] (12-223-129-46.client.insightbb.com[12.223.129.46]) by sccimhc92.asp.att.net (sccimhc92) with ESMTP id <20050213050213i92004v07he>; Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:14 +0000 Message-ID: <420EDF52.1090408@nbritton.org> Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 23:02:10 -0600 From: Nikolas Britton User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050202) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Erich Dollansky References: <20050213004204.GA91920@xor.obsecurity.org> <20050213021055.69766.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com> <20050213022605.GA24426@xor.obsecurity.org> <420ED112.80401@pacific.net.sg> In-Reply-To: <420ED112.80401@pacific.net.sg> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit cc: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org cc: stheg olloydson cc: kris@obsecurity.org Subject: Re: The only worthwhile logo-related comments so far.... X-BeenThere: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: FreeBSD Evangelism List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2005 05:02:19 -0000 Erich Dollansky wrote: > Hi, > > Kris Kennaway wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 12, 2005 at 06:10:55PM -0800, stheg olloydson wrote: >> >> >>> Core being Core will do what they think is best, and they have every >>> right to. That's not my point. My point is the discussion took place in >>> secret. What I am suggesting is that when certain discussions take >>> place that they be publicly readable. >> >> >> >> Again, FreeBSD has never worked that way, but if you think it should >> then you should raise the suggestion with core. >> > Could this be the real reason for the "acceptance" problem? > > In the same moment, this is also the reason for its strengths. A small > number of people "controls" FreeBSD giving it a direction they think > is best. Also remember that the community (committers) voted them into "office" to represent and make decisions for us. "These bylaws were approved by a vote of active committers on August 28, 2000. * Active committers have made a commit to the tree in the last 12 months. * Core consists of 9 elected active committers. * Core elections are held every 2 years, first time September 2000. * Core members and committers may be ejected by a 2/3 vote of core. * If the size of core falls below 7, an early election is held. * A petition of 1/3 of active committers can trigger an early election. * All elections will be run as follows: o Core appoints and announces someone to run the election. o 1 week to tally active committers wishing to run for core. o 4 weeks for the actual vote o 1 week to tally and post the results. o Each active committer may vote once in support of up to nine nominees. o New core team becomes effective 1 week after the results are posted. o Voting ties decided by unambiguously elected new core members. * These rules can be changed by a 2/3 majority of committers if at least 50% of active committers cast their vote." ---------------------------------------------------- Democracy, 1b: A government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections. -Merriam-Webster Dictionary of Law