From owner-freebsd-www Thu Oct 15 06:15:08 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from daemon@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id GAA19503 for www-outgoing; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:15:08 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-www) Received: from mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (mail.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.13]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA19223; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:12:38 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from wosch@cs.tu-berlin.de) Received: from caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (wosch@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de [130.149.17.12]) by mail.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04559; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from wosch@localhost) by caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de (8.9.1/8.9.0) id OAA15644; Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:21 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <19981015144920.A15041@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:49:20 +0200 From: Wolfram Schneider To: "Jordan K. Hubbard" Cc: www@FreeBSD.ORG, core@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Who disabled my urchin stats? References: <19981014161618.A15520@caramba.cs.tu-berlin.de> <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In-Reply-To: <26560.908390332@time.cdrom.com>; from Jordan K. Hubbard on Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 11:38:52AM -0700 Sender: owner-freebsd-www@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk Jordan, you need a vacation. Wolfram On 1998-10-14 11:38:52 -0700, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: > > I disabled the urchin stats Saturday morning because > > this tool deleted most part of the web log files :-(((( > > You should have talked to me - we could have looked into your claims > more thoroughly. I've already been running urchin here in test > mode and it's been working fine; www.freebsd.org is NOT the first > urchin test site, contrary to your belief. > > > Jordan started the urchin stats as root (!!!) from /etc/crontab > > every day at 0:00. The urchin scripts also runs a > > own log file rotation script ;-{ > > They're supposed to run as root. > > > At 4:00 the webmaster do the standard log file rotation. The > > result of the log rotation script clash are mostly empty > > log files. All entries between 04:00 and 24:00 are deleted. > > No thank you! > > I can disable the rotation - you never even mentioned it as a problem > before now so I didn't do so. > > > Log file rotation and log file analyzing are two different things. > > The log file rotation script *must* run once a day as root. Analyzing > > tools are optional software. They should never be started as root!! > > This needs to run as root. > > > As I already you told, www.freebsd.org is our production server. > > Don't run test software on www.freebsd.org! Don't do it as root!! > > This needs to run as root. > > > If you want perform test copy the log files to bento.freebsd.org > > and run the scripts at bento. > > I've already run tests here. Since you refuse to even communicate > with me, how was I supposed to know that it was causing problems > on www.freebsd.org? > > > This is the second case where a Core Team member used his root > > privileges to break into the web server - without talking to me > > directly. And I have to fix the bugs ... > > If you had bothered to COMMUNICATE about this yourself, we wouldn't > have gotten to this state at all. It has always been occasionally > necessary for others to do web-oriented things on our machines and the > webmaster doesn't have an exclusive monopoly on this, just as others > occasionally jump in on postmaster issues or system admin tasks. You > being the primary contact does not absolve you from working with > others in the project and I expect you to communicate with others > here. I never made any secret of the urchin stats or what I was doing > with them, but you made a secret of the problems it was causing and > now we're yelling at eachother. Either be more willing to communicate > with others over issues like this in the future or realize that maybe > you're not the right choice for webmaster. Nobody gets to run their > piece like a fiefdom and you are expected to communicate with others > when problems arise, not just run around disabling stuff for reasons > known only to you. > > - Jordan -- Wolfram Schneider http://freebsd.org/~w/