Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:16:03 +0000 From: Igor Mozolevsky <igor@hybrid-lab.co.uk> To: Andriy Gapon <avg@freebsd.org> Cc: Ian Lepore <freebsd@damnhippie.dyndns.org>, freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: FreeBSD has serious problems with focus, longevity, and lifecycle Message-ID: <CADWvR2jdeu6R%2BmX1n2Uz1WUBcZ=BKWSDB4nR-rEv_P4jAZg3HQ@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <4F160B99.1060001@FreeBSD.org> References: <alpine.BSF.2.00.1112211415580.19710@kozubik.com> <op.v78i3yxi34t2sn@tech304> <4F15C44F.1030208@freebsd.org> <1326836797.1669.234.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F16019F.2060300@FreeBSD.org> <1326843399.1669.249.camel@revolution.hippie.lan> <4F160B99.1060001@FreeBSD.org>
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On 18 January 2012 00:00, Andriy Gapon <avg@freebsd.org> wrote: > Just a note: the next best thing you can to _not_ have a patch committed = is to > just open a PR and stop at that. =C2=A0The best thing being not sharing t= he patch at > all :-) [snip] > Some things that help: > - send a problem description and a patch (or a short description and a li= nk to a > PR) to a relevant mailing list > - maintain a discussion of the patch if it arises > - try to be interesting and keep the interested folks hooked > - find some folks who recently committed stuff in the area of the patch a= nd > contact them directly > - don't just wait for too long, remind about yourself and the patch, try > different mailing lists/people > - never give up > - stay technical, never get bitter or overly emotional > - don't refuse when offered a commit bit :-) Seriously, WTF is the point of having a PR system that allows patches to be submitted??! When I submit a patch I fix *your* code (not yours personally, but you get my gist). No other project requires a non-committer to be so ridiculously persistent in order to get a patch through. Such system is plainly wrong---it simply discourages people from sending "this works for me"(TM) fixes. The committers have to realise three things: they can and do write broken code now and then, most people who write patches to help the fBSD along don't have the time to become full time committers (otherwise they'd already be, right?), and there's only so many times one is willing to bang their head against a wall with no results---as Einstein pointed out "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"... I'm not saying that responding to reasonable requests from people who are in the process of testing and committing the patch, but expecting the end-users to chase committers to have a fix included is plainly wrong!.. -- Igor M.
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