From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Apr 27 18:33:50 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD6AF106567B for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:33:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beni@brinckman.info) Received: from lrelay01.edpnet.net (lrelay01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.210]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52CD38FC25 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:33:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from beni@brinckman.info) Received: from bsdaddict.localnet (213.219.164.52.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [213.219.164.52]) by lrelay01.edpnet.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n3RIXmCo026701 for ; Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:33:48 +0200 From: beni To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 20:33:46 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.11.2 (FreeBSD/7.2-PRERELEASE; KDE/4.2.2; i386; ; ) References: <20090426194410.c00aaf73.freebsd@edvax.de> <49F4A3D8.3090106@gothic-chat.de> In-Reply-To: <49F4A3D8.3090106@gothic-chat.de> X-Face: $,~&QrDrInYiH(ZUXjNH_0r4q\`w83!}&; +8c.K[`NnZwV|m$5N{NCkWesaR.9|yqIC[)g=a;93dz2mP7iv)LLzBd;6^Y:=*>@U;_\+4( MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <200904272033.47390.beni@brinckman.info> X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.92.1/9292/Mon Apr 27 03:25:00 2009 on lrelay01.edpnet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on lrelay01.edpnet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: Re: Modern FreeBSD Installer? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: beni@brinckman.info List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:33:51 -0000 On Sunday 26 April 2009 20:11:36 Neo [GC] wrote: > Just my two cents: > > Why a graphical installer? Shure, it looks nice, easy, modern and more > accessable (examples: Mac OS X, Vista), but on the other hand, for me > FreeBSD never was intended to be fancy, but to be functional. What is wrong with fancy functional ? The two can go together I think. For you it may not be, but I would like it to be for me. And as to now, I don't have any choice : there is no fancy, easy, nice, modern and accessable installer. > The text mode installer: > - works on every PC, every graphics card, every screen, with serial > console, with ssh, with screenreader > - is easy enough for people who are able to use it after the installation > - doesn't need a mouse to be usable So why don't use a text mode for server and a GUI for desktop ? > FreeBSD isn't Linux/OSX/Windows, FreeBSD is not for users who want > eyecandy, FreeBSD is for professinals who want perfectly working > systems, who know how to edit .conf-files, which packages the need and > so on. (at least I think so) Oh so all those desktopusers with Gnome/KDE/... will gladly hear this ! As a desktopuser I can't be a professional who wants a perfectly working system ? Thanks. > IMHO, the biggest problem with graphical installers is that they just > don't work for everyone. For example, my last attempts to install Ubuntu > Linux stopped when the installer didn't work with my graphics card or > just choosed a mode my TFT didn't support. This was such a bad > experience, I didn't wanted to try it anymore. Well, my first install of windows/debian/freebsd/... didn't work out as it was supposed to be either. So ? Even with pc-bsd not all my hardware is recognized now. But if you want something that works for everyone, I don't think that *bsd or linux is something for you. -- Beni.