From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 29 18:25:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F29C16A47B for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:25:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net (ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net [80.76.149.212]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFCD643D6A for ; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:24:11 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from erikt@midgard.homeip.net) Received: from c83-253-29-241.bredband.comhem.se ([83.253.29.241]:59570 helo=falcon.midgard.homeip.net) by ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GpU6J-0005DG-3u for freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:24:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 34702 invoked from network); 29 Nov 2006 19:24:06 +0100 Received: from owl.midgard.homeip.net (10.1.5.7) by falcon.midgard.homeip.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 2006 19:24:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 87564 invoked by uid 1001); 29 Nov 2006 19:24:06 +0100 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 19:24:06 +0100 From: Erik Trulsson To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, chris@vindaloo.com Message-ID: <20061129182406.GA87529@owl.midgard.homeip.net> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG, chris@vindaloo.com References: <1164750071.1074.39.camel@dagobah.vindaloo.com> <200611291607.kATG71vU079631@lurza.secnetix.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200611291607.kATG71vU079631@lurza.secnetix.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) X-Scan-Result: No virus found in message 1GpU6J-0005DG-3u. X-Scan-Signature: ch-smtp01.sth.basefarm.net 1GpU6J-0005DG-3u 3be31a9bfd4822d4becbe48f37b66ae8 Cc: Subject: Re: Problems unmounting/fssyncking extern UFS filesystem X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 18:25:04 -0000 On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 05:07:01PM +0100, Oliver Fromme wrote: > Christopher Sean Hilton wrote: > > Kevin Oberman wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > The magic phrase is "buffer cache has been flushed". In the real world > > > of discs with cache there is no way to be certain when the data is > > > REALLY on the disc. That is why things get clobbered if the power is > > > cycled to the disc too soon after syncing and why a sleep (or typing > > > sync three times) is still a good idea and probably always will be. > > > > Please understand that this is an honest question but isn't that true > > only of IDE heritage drives. E.g. If a SCSI drive with Tagged Queuing > > says that the the bits have been written doesn't it mean that the bits > > have really been written? > > Right, unless the SCSI drive has a label saying "Quantum". In other words: Yes, assuming the SCSI drive works as it should. Not all SCSI drives work as they should. (I am not familiar with the Quantum disks in particular, but I would be very surprised if there were no SCSI disks that were broken in this regard.) > > Best regards > Oliver > > PS: Quantum is today owned by maxtor, isn't it? I've lost > track of HD manufacturers when Seagate bought Conner ... Quantum and Maxtor merged and became Maxtor. Maxtor was recently bought by Seagate, so it is Seagate that owns Quantum these days. -- Erik Trulsson ertr1013@student.uu.se