From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Fri Dec 8 07:47:00 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7B6E9CCE8 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 267B667E19 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 22CCBE9CCE7; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:47:00 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2276CE9CCE6 for ; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:47:00 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from ns.kevlo.org (220-135-115-6.HINET-IP.hinet.net [220.135.115.6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "ns.kevlo.org", Issuer "ns.kevlo.org" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA0CB67E18; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 07:46:59 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: from ns.kevlo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ns.kevlo.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id vB87iwo1002060 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:44:59 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from kevlo@ns.kevlo.org) Received: (from kevlo@localhost) by ns.kevlo.org (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id vB87iwee002059; Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:44:58 +0800 (CST) (envelope-from kevlo) Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 15:44:56 +0800 From: Kevin Lo To: Baptiste Daroussin Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org, gshapiro@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? Message-ID: <20171208074456.GA2035@ns.kevlo.org> References: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.8.0 (2017-02-23) X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2017 07:47:00 -0000 On Wed, Dec 06, 2017 at 11:33:41PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > Hi all, > > I would like to propose the deprecation then removal of sendmail in base. > > Deprecation will happen in the form of FreeBSD 12.0 being built WITHOUT_SENDMAIL > by default > > removal would happen in FreeBSD 13.0 > > sendmail in base it not really usable as a full featured mta due to the fact it > does not support anything an entreprised grade mta setup would require: ldap > support for example, check the number of options available in the sendmail port. > Hmm, dma(8) says: dma is not intended as a replacement for real, big MTAs like sendmail(8) or postfix(1). I seriously don't think dma(8) is a full featured mta. I would recommend OpenSMTPD. OpenSMTPD makes smtp easier to implement and manage and more secure. > Users for that use case would be better served by the port version of sendmail. > > The other kind of users are the one using the default setup of sendmail: > relaying emails externally and deliver locally. > > We have dma(8) which is way smaller than sendmail(8) have a configuration file > understandable by most users (yet that is subjecttive) and have the setuid > binary capsicumized. > > dma(8) has been modified to fix issues reported by clusteradm preventing its > usage in real life situations: > https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=208263 > > I think only providing dma(8) by default and let users choose a full featured > mta via packages is a good solution and better for both sendmail users and non > sendmail users. Why not vice versa? > If noone express a strong opinion by then, I will turn sendmail option off by > december 15th. > > Best regards, > Bapt Kevin