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I'm unable to find one operating system, that fits to all of my > needs. IMO the one in all approach is a pitfall, many people probably > need to use different operating systems for different tasks. Even though FreeBSD is a multi-purpose operating system - it can be used as a workstation, as a server, for embedded devices, or in "combined forms" -, it doesn't unify all those different purposes in _one_ form. FreeBSD should therefore be seen as a foundation, not as a "one size fits all egg-laying wool-milk-sow", which it isn't, and which _no_ OS, despite imaginable claims, is. To expect (!) something different than this fact is absolute nonsense. Operating systems, such as application programs, serve specific purposes, and what you need to use depends on what you want to do. You cannot edit videos with a word processor, nor can you manage your bank accounts with a typesetting system. Accepting this truth is an important step to overcome the "But on the box it says..." illusions of marketing (typically ads and FUD). In Linux land, the attitude is a bit different, so this might often lead to confusion (which is basically understandable): Different distributions have different goals. While they share the same kernel and most basic components, the bundled applications are selected and suited (!) for a specific (!!!) purpose, and trying to do something completely different with them will usually lead to disappointment, grief, and anger; i. e., while a multimedia-centered distribution is very good at doing things in that field, it utterly fails at being a server. Linux also does not have the strict libe between "the OS" (the foundation, as mentioned above), and "3rd party software". The choice of _what_ is part of the distribution will be made by the maintainers of the distribution, often with a specific target audience in mind. The result is obvious - dedicated tools fitting specific needs. FreeBSD as the OS (!) works different. It is not Linux. It does not want to be Linux. And that's totally fine, if you ask me. > Do we offend a toaster, if we use a knife instead of this toaster to > spread butter on a slice of bread? Not until the toaster becomes a Cylon... ;-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...