From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed May 8 21: 2:56 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mail.speakeasy.net (mail16.speakeasy.net [216.254.0.216]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F246937B408 for ; Wed, 8 May 2002 21:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10983 invoked from network); 9 May 2002 04:02:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO server.baldwin.cx) ([216.27.160.63]) (envelope-sender ) by mail16.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 9 May 2002 04:02:40 -0000 Received: from laptop.baldwin.cx (laptop.baldwin.cx [192.168.0.4]) by server.baldwin.cx (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g4942eF36397; Thu, 9 May 2002 00:02:40 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhb@FreeBSD.org) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.5.2 on FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20020509034231.GA9051@parhelion.firedrake.org> Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 00:02:38 -0400 (EDT) From: John Baldwin To: void Subject: Re: It's not fun anymore. (Mike resigns from core) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Anthony.Wyatt@csiro.au Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On 09-May-2002 void wrote: > FreeBSD is a research project, but it's also a production-quality > operating system. It is important that it be "loose" enough to keep > hackers interested, but it is also important that it be managed carefully > enough that companies like Yahoo (which employs at least one core team > member, if I'm not mistaken) can continue to depend on it. > > I think that the successful management of the tension between these > goals has a lot to do with why FreeBSD is so useful and interesting. > I guess that these conflicting goals also have a lot to do with the > conflicts within core that Mike alluded to. > > Just my two cents, I hope no one takes offense. I think flamage on this > thread is pretty inappropriate and I'd like to respectfully ask everyone > to keep things civil, even if only on this thread. Another thing to keep in mind is that FreeBSD has some 300 odd "researchers" working on it, and that's not counting the folks who put in time to work on it but just don't have a commit bit for some reason or another. At a certain point things don't scale and you need some sort of structure. Of course, you want to minimize the amount of structure so you can keep out of people's way when possible. -- John Baldwin <>< http://www.FreeBSD.org/~jhb/ "Power Users Use the Power to Serve!" - http://www.FreeBSD.org/ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message