From owner-freebsd-chat Thu Aug 29 10:53:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B988037B400 for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proxy.centtech.com (moat.centtech.com [206.196.95.10]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCD543E3B for ; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 10:53:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from anderson@centtech.com) Received: from sprint.centtech.com (sprint.centtech.com [10.177.173.31]) by proxy.centtech.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7THrPY15919; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:53:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from root@localhost) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) id g7THrPV15497; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:53:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from centtech.com (proton [10.177.173.77]) by sprint.centtech.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g7THrMo15479; Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:53:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <3D6E5F92.3010309@centtech.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 12:53:22 -0500 From: Eric Anderson Reply-To: anderson@centtech.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i386; en-US; rv:0.9.4.1) Gecko/20020508 Netscape6/6.2.3 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rich Morin Cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: What can FreeBSD learn from Mac OS X? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS perl-11 Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Rich Morin wrote: > One problem is that nobody has taken on the role of supporting > FreeBSD as a production system. The current (eg, CVS) machinery > works fine for folks who like to fiddle with the source code, but > it is ill-suited for folks, like me, who simply want a reliable > system and minimal maintenance headaches. > > The Mac OS X system of binary updates, while imperfect, gives me bug > fixes for security and other critical issues, without requiring me > to get involved with maintaining a source tree, doing builds, etc. I use FreeBSD on many productions machines, for all kinds of different services. I typically do binary upgrades on these - which works flawlessly every time might I add. I rarely do any cvs'ing of the source - when I upgrade a machine, I simply move the /usr/src directory to /usr/src.[old release number], and then do the upgrade (which puts the sources for that release on there for me). > FreeBSD has very good engineering. If it had the right "productizing", > it might well be able to steal some folks from the Linux camp. I'd > like to see this happen, but I don't see anyone taking on the task. In > fact, I don't even see a separate mailing list for freebsd-release! What do you mean by "productizing"? Do you mean marketing? Why don't you start the wave, and lead the sheep? I'd also love to see FreeBSD get into more places, but it takes time, and money, to "market" the OS. Time I have, money, well, spent elsewhere. Eric -- ------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric Anderson Systems Administrator Centaur Technology The moon may be smaller than Earth, but it's further away. ------------------------------------------------------------------ To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message