From owner-freebsd-arch@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Jun 30 06:24:04 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: arch@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E884B106566C; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:24:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (troutmask.apl.washington.edu [128.208.78.105]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABA2F8FC08; Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:24:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from troutmask.apl.washington.edu (localhost.apl.washington.edu [127.0.0.1]) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o5U6O4vP049447; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:24:04 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu) Received: (from sgk@localhost) by troutmask.apl.washington.edu (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o5U6O3Hd049446; Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:24:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from sgk) Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:24:03 -0700 From: Steve Kargl To: Garrett Cooper Message-ID: <20100630062403.GA49395@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <4C2AB793.4040601@laposte.net> <20100630034622.GA48794@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i Cc: arch@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: dwb : groff replacement proposal X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 06:24:05 -0000 On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 09:48:00PM -0700, Garrett Cooper wrote: > On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 8:46 PM, Steve Kargl > wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 05:18:43AM +0200, Cyrille Lefevre wrote: > >> > >> seen on http://wiki.freebsd.org/ContribSoftware, groff have switch > >> to GPLv3 license, so, > > > > So what? ?The version of groff in the src/ isn't > > going to suddenly stop working. ?Please send this > > type of email to free-advocacy or freebsd-chat. > > It has no place here. > > Steve, > I do see his point because bitrot software doesn't help, and apart > from our toolchain and a few other things, a lot of the GNU software > is being forced out eventually. groff hasn't been touched in ages > however. "groff hasn't been touched in ages" so FreeBSD suddenly can't render its man pages? Cyrille's post should have gone to freebsd-advocacy or -chat. The fact that FSF is moving its software distributions to GPLv3 isn't some state secret. > Regardless, there's already work being done to remedy this in the > FreeBSD community; see: > http://www.freebsdnews.net/2009/05/11/deprecating-groff-bsd-manual-display/ > for one link. I'm aware of mdocml and other efforts. None of these efforts come close to replacing the functionality provided by the version of groff in src/. The current version of groff in FreeBSD meets FreeBSD needs. Do you envision bitrot in FreeBSD's groff that will go unnotice? Do you envision an in flux of man pages into FreeBSD that are written in mdoc (or other macro packages) that can't be rendered by FreeBSD's version of groff, but can be rendered by mdocml? -- Steve