From owner-freebsd-current@freebsd.org Thu Sep 17 16:08:19 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D94DB3E5A01 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:08:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com (mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2f]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bshhg03w7z4DZm for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:08:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qv1-xf2f.google.com with SMTP id cr8so1228269qvb.10 for ; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:08:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=/2xNtB0ggN9/JFyvacB/WTmyOqJ+LC/Jss85XoBLZI0=; b=TV6EARaJNXYS+umZTSiE1QECk0JFzEq0u79tdqqlu3n/zq3hogsIQxOwg0voe/x4WE UJ0Bd+0jrzjxM443WVFPpIW4vPDhLznZs64MKBwuQhUVScXuepwAQ6X0i35Xcp8sOocs LHPzFMsxK6ukDmvDREHvlVYEzuKT0rCNEgyJ36Ntte0s1gUyxBfycgGwKMoJsWdjYtUu ze9S16Si7W06CMwts46t4kmMfQDh1pNjg33xUXxRxCIioJB9hLDB1F8Crp7pn+uuX0w1 hhxDslbxOVQHgbtUgogo+TZg3WEuJHCjeQqxrW3Bz+L7iWItjrGDBybGrOdL4CTJtsfi uxuQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5335awnvF/KOUEondgIjqCxi/hEAorQojUgd3iIOnE12o20d7RJe N0T4u4NCS7QcxB035AQHr3rgEA2+WJrYe7kN1bMruw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwHgk0/0a9+6MASxf3M1HwYUDOFjLFCjtkeNMbeswYlj6nZpHmafv1VG22/7WJYJNRsu310iIMSA9hHFU23L5s= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:544a:: with SMTP id h10mr13073118qvt.35.1600358897938; Thu, 17 Sep 2020 09:08:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202009171404.08HE4fZj007939@slippy.cwsent.com> In-Reply-To: <202009171404.08HE4fZj007939@slippy.cwsent.com> From: Warner Losh Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 10:08:07 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Deprecating ftpd in the FreeBSD base system? To: Cy Schubert Cc: Ed Maste , FreeBSD Current X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4Bshhg03w7z4DZm X-Spamd-Bar: - X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-1.68 / 15.00]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.94)[-0.944]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.01)[-1.007]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-current@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.73)[-0.729]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::f2f:from]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[no SPF record]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-current]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2020 16:08:19 -0000 On Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 8:05 AM Cy Schubert wrote: > I've been advocating removing FTP (and HTTP) from libfetch as well. People > should be using HTTPS only. (libfetch could support a plugin that might be > supplied by a port should someone be inclined to write one.) > The project isn't going to do that. "tools not policy" dictates that anything like that should be done in fetch(1) and likely only as a command line option for people that require a secure connection (or that can tolerate an insecure one). Warner