From owner-freebsd-stable Tue Apr 23 17: 0:36 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mired.org (dsl-64-192-6-133.telocity.com [64.192.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECCD837B430 for ; Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 45841 invoked by uid 100); 24 Apr 2002 00:00:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <15557.62858.194694.421246@guru.mired.org> Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 19:00:10 -0500 To: kudzu@tenebras.com Cc: Lucky Green , freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: /etc/defaults/rc.conf theory In-Reply-To: <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> References: <002d01c1ea7d$cf1cb060$c33a080a@LUCKYVAIO> <3CC4E3D4.6010603@tenebras.com> <15557.46037.660880.582373@guru.mired.org> <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.90 under 21.1 (patch 14) "Cuyahoga Valley" XEmacs Lucid X-face: "5Mnwy%?j>IIV\)A=):rjWL~NB2aH[}Yq8Z=u~vJ`"(,&SiLvbbz2W`;h9L,Yg`+vb1>RG% *h+%X^n0EZd>TM8_IB;a8F?(Fb"lw'IgCoyM.[Lg#r\ From: Mike Meyer X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.52 (Python 2.2 on FreeBSD/i386) Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG In <3CC5EE7C.2030407@tenebras.com>, Michael Sierchio typed: > Mike Meyer wrote: > > Some mailer and some ssh need to be part of the base system. If they > > aren't up to snuff for you and you aren't happy disabling things in > > the base system and installing ports, then you need to find someone to > > maintain a version you want as part of the base system, and then > > convince everyone else that this is better. Tracking OpenSSL/OpenSSH > > closer is probably an easy sell. The same is not true for sendmail. > A mailer isn't needed for a dedicated router, or several other > types of appliance. Neither is ssh, if you connect exclusively > via the serial console. Of course I have ssh installed (I already > confessed). I just wish configuration were easier. True, but a router etc. isn't a complete system. > Why shouldn't everything be a package? Well, not the kernel, loader, > etc. but nearly everything in userland. You deleted the critical comment I made. If you want to help make everything a package, the libh project is always looking for people. http://www.mired.org/home/mwm/ Independent WWW/Perforce/FreeBSD/Unix consultant, email for more information. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message