From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Mar 25 20:22:29 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E361868 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:22:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com (mail-wi0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 07A46F6D for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id hm4so3840496wib.2 for ; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:22:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=c6sg4USsoxKy+rjoOgjyJcTb9JsJCI4qYL+AmggX2po=; b=eNCgTe8NVztgo+SwWlmzJlyt2ufi1iB0RBSY26WAXZJMZ+KSrp4AYH5pKpXl254RLh yGbbR0XS+j2XmS6GBoIAmMcpsJ3j1K09P/Bk/sxnVwzuvQSi2MOwdcRiU24mr/c+eWSy icbNBeAcYk3bW77pQ3/C+JpEjLWXCOarxDcRTS54okKaw7EI+Qg9XuHVZG8YhTLV8oTI 4XqJXdeI4pRUWINMysNAC53Nww0TElx6ARo3cxL2kK1dWaH8DDs/MISPi+OGVcY5DZDd aHQvr1W5vwVu15YgypilOdl4o9grr/8ZXvLRjm5qc5wVh7Crgk9kVeCvDX0Gg6xhvbZ+ m5Bw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.181.13.15 with SMTP id eu15mr24770127wid.38.1395778947219; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:22:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.217.55.138 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Mar 2014 13:22:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20140323223022.GC796@lonesome.com> References: <532EDDD0.80700@ohlste.in> <20140323153843.GA16935@lonesome.com> <532F1C48.7080003@ohlste.in> <20140323223022.GC796@lonesome.com> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 15:22:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: reason 23 why we've moved to linux From: David Noel To: Mark Linimon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: Randy Bush , freebsd-stable stable X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: David.I.Noel@gmail.com List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 20:22:29 -0000 > This is a false analogy: they get paid. Right now AFAIK no one is > paid to work on FreeBSD ports, other than a handful of people paid > to work on ports that affect their employer. > There's no tangible reward for working on PRs in someone's "priority > order". From my previous experience as bugmeister, I can state that > most people think their own problems _are_ the priority. In a world > where everything's a priority, nothing is. > > We don't have a stick we can beat the committers with if they don't > do things in any particular order. The most that we can reasonably > do is to reset their maintainership, or reassign their PRs, if they > become inactive. I've never understood why we don't have the ability to attach bounties to PR's. It seems like such a no-brainer solution to this whole mess. While a $20 bounty (or maybe collectively $200) probably wouldn't motivate a US-based developer to work on a PR that they were otherwise not interested in there are plenty of people out there in the world who it would. Elance is full of developers willing to work for a few dollars an hour. A quick Google search tells me that someone has started in this direction already -- http://www.freebsdbounties.info/bounties. I think it makes more sense for something like this to be integrated into the existing PR system though. "But who will build it?". I really don't know. I don't have time to. Should I file a PR? ;-) Seriously though, if no one wants to volunteer to build it it makes sense to me that the FreeBSD Foundation spend a few thousand of those hundreds of thousands of dollars they collect annually on something like this. But I haven't the slightest clue who's in charge of that money or who I'd need to convince that something like this would be useful. Bugs, features, etc.. why is there no simple way to collectively fund them? It seems like so much more would get done. -David