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Grimes" CC: Ian Lepore , Enji Cooper , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Michael Tuexen , "koobs@freebsd.org" , Bryan Drewery From: Cy Schubert Message-ID: <413C51BC-1514-43B7-84B8-A1BD765F5704@cschubert.com> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfHXB2ciCZ6HEBdE8WKGZyzccm4YJdNZFFo1WKY1UcGxk+NpQeZ097rZZx/EAyFOl4m7cjbPR0b7oBdFFM8x1BDdr4wzajDDoyD3kd9f4CeIJqNgb3rg/ V6a4qL+TcmY2AR5eWQJq17BE04p+u0WNIKkoxMa94lihUPrCxkcKget5wl0GVQ7ptGjJgFqdm3tiCTcZ2yZ/1uHCJSrcC64GnBeC8BWLymToc+L4mZGkMHg4 a51tgqU5ZCgVimjdEKdu8GKNUGEi8jOBBXad06RJbFjqQALPSECGkzyi7QL9isWW2BZAU+ybVrhb4D6m4pt4FdEzeX408LGhmiyID/rdVeKFlW1rokmKLCVL WTAOar+xc6yWy8hJgsb5GhtCtvezXA== X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 89610703AF X-Spamd-Bar: ----- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-5.64 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; TO_DN_EQ_ADDR_SOME(0.00)[]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; IP_SCORE(-2.45)[ip: (-6.41), ipnet: 64.59.128.0/20(-3.25), asn: 6327(-2.52), country: CA(-0.09)]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: spqr.komquats.com]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.98)[-0.980,0]; RCPT_COUNT_SEVEN(0.00)[7]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW(-0.10)[138.136.59.64.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.1]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[233.154.66.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11,17.125.67.70.zen.spamhaus.org : 127.0.0.11]; ASN(0.00)[asn:6327, ipnet:64.59.128.0/20, country:CA]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:06:11 -0000 On June 19, 2019 9:30:19 AM PDT, "Rodney W=2E Grimes" wrote: >> In message > >> , Ian Le >> pore writes: >> > On Tue, 2019-06-18 at 07:01 -0700, Enji Cooper wrote: >> > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 06:59, Enji Cooper >> > > > wrote: >> > > >=20 >> > > >=20 >> > > > > On Jun 18, 2019, at 06:53, Ian Lepore >wrote: >> > > >=20 >> > > > =2E=2E=2E >> > > >=20 >> > > > > Last Saturday, Bryan (cc'd) made a series of commits >(r349061-69)=20 >> > > > > that >> > > > > were all somehow related to dependency processing in the >> > > > > build=2E I >> > > > > don't know the details, just remember seeing some commits >about >> > > > > that=2E >> > > >=20 >> > > > I remember that as well=2E This might have changed the dependency >> > > > order subtly, introducing a race=2E >> > > >=20 >> > > > The headers might not be built in all cases in time now=2E >> > > >=20 >> > > > Thanks, >> > > > -Enji >> > > >=20 >> > > > PS This is one of the reasons why I wasn???t quick to discount >Peter >> > > > Jeremy???s reported build issue=2E >> > >=20 >> > > Correction: I meant Julian Stacey=2E >> > >> > Julian Stacey has 3 problems: >> > >> > 1=2E Missing opt_cam=2Eh >> > 2=2E Missing yacc=2Eh >> > 3=2E A years-long inability to report a problem without hurling >personal >> > insults at the project and everyone associated with it=2E >> > >> > Because of #3, I don't much care about 1 and 2=2E >>=20 >> Bingo! My point exactly! > >You can't understand the frustration of 25 years of >having system build breakage on a pretty regular basis >as a trigger point for anger? But it doesn't break on a regular basis=2E Sure, people occasionally do boneheaded things but that doesn't give anyon= e the right to go on the attack=2E Calling for the revocation of commit bit= s is going over the line=2E We all get frustrated but frustration doesn't g= ive anyone the right to go postal in a virtual way=2E The fact is a person = can attract more good will by objectively addressing the problem rather tha= n subjectively attacking the person, or in this case attacking the group of= people=2E It's like being bitten by a dog=2E You want nothing to do with t= he animal=2E I see Ian's point and feel the same, and wouldn't be surprised= if others did too=2E I can think of many other real life examples which result in, "well then d= o it yourself=2E" People can't consistently treat others in a certain manne= r and expect different results time and time again=2E=20 --=20 Pardon the typos and autocorrect, small keyboard in use=2E Cheers, Cy Schubert FreeBSD UNIX: Web: http://www=2EFreeBSD=2Eorg The need of the many outweighs the greed of the few=2E