From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Mar 4 20:04:02 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE644106566B; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:04:02 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from adrian.chadd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com (mail-lpp01m010-f54.google.com [209.85.215.54]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C8E18FC15; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:04:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lagv3 with SMTP id v3so5468904lag.13 for ; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adrian.chadd@gmail.com designates 10.112.42.72 as permitted sender) client-ip=10.112.42.72; Authentication-Results: mr.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adrian.chadd@gmail.com designates 10.112.42.72 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adrian.chadd@gmail.com; dkim=pass header.i=adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: from mr.google.com ([10.112.42.72]) by 10.112.42.72 with SMTP id m8mr8110695lbl.10.1330891440479 (num_hops = 1); Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=Iq/ioY3RZ1+GVXi6+opYrPoGk+IOxlRug/blmGO6msk=; b=nIw/0yPa1nKhmMX6D0qa2nIx2F9wwm/S+YMjtxh2QN8ZCkLSIRVmeS/ImNG1VGvTGc N9Dj4pqscpk41lTx++5v/mQMuy3lH3jy7riXrtG3aDTQyMqW9ZUUo6SShBGjUsOnUyTU Gr2sUdHijJJFy4NSx3DbNx1ztEN6xYawdo2r9gkapRyndlDsFv4Mp0nV+SRxbQs8kuPP x1I8OA1psWB+ejfL7TgnB4AqQftUEgtaacw25G9oDJMjmm/g8KIzUqOzXf9qI7lJl9pa 35xbN+Vxo7p7PQHgtaGJSewopl++H3PR4k8EiV4dUnhtsJW1Bf37yiiT2kLs9LfYfOcd DSkQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.112.42.72 with SMTP id m8mr6674474lbl.10.1330891440407; Sun, 04 Mar 2012 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) Sender: adrian.chadd@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.13.18 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:04:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4F5285CF.3010001@FreeBSD.org> References: <20120221143537.Horde.deyFDZjmRSRPQ52pxBIpnLA@webmail.leidinger.net> <4F4BA707.5070608@wasikowski.net> <4F4C3FE7.3040802@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D51CB.2010508@FreeBSD.org> <4F4D5E5D.9040302@FreeBSD.org> <4F4DD288.5060106@FreeBSD.org> <4F4ED889.2070608@FreeBSD.org> <4F500BB9.4040307@FreeBSD.org> <4F5088CA.1090108@FreeBSD.org> <4F510FBD.50008@FreeBSD.org> <4F5117A6.2030003@FreeBSD.org> <4F5285CF.3010001@FreeBSD.org> Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 12:04:00 -0800 X-Google-Sender-Auth: PrACE2nS5ewfR6N2DefKJ0k3joc Message-ID: From: Adrian Chadd To: Doug Barton Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Cc: stable@freebsd.org, "K. Macy" , =?ISO-8859-2?Q?z_W=B1sikowski?= , Arnaud Lacombe , "Bjoern A. Zeeb" , Alexander Leidinger , current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: flowtable usable or not X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2012 20:04:02 -0000 2012/3/3 Doug Barton : > On 03/02/2012 16:05, Adrian Chadd wrote: >> Try breaking that cycle. > > ... one of the things I've been asking for years. :) > > Julian's right though, I think PC-BSD will help, but I still think that > committers should run -current. I've asked privately for our committers > to go back to -current and then have some dedicated development time > where we work together to fix the problems that *we* find in order to > make the project more desktop-friendly overall. I was (figuratively) > laughed out of the room. There's a magic intersection between "need to run current" and "need to keep stuff unbroken enough to get work done." I have 9.0-REL and -HEAD boxes at the moment which I actually use for development. But enough things are going wonky with kde4 for now that getting "actual work done" is hard. Upgrading ports will become a lot less painful with pkgng, so I hope to try and migrate to that when it's (more) ready. This is the unfortunate side effect of things being mostly run by volunteers who have to work to eat. :-) Adrian