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Date:      Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:11:23 +0100
From:      Chris Zumbrunn <chris@czv.com>
To:        "Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg" <listsub@401.cx>
Cc:        freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: Rework of theFreeBSDwebsite[was:FreeBSD'sVisualIdentity:Outdated?]
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On Feb 14, 2005, at 3:08 PM, Roger 'Rocky' Vetterberg wrote:

> What the *word* trademark has to do with this discussion I do not 
> understand. We have afaik never been discussing the name of the 
> project, have we?

Because the FreeBSD project owns trademarks for the word "FREEBSD" it 
doesn't need to protect a specific graphical design.

> You can produce all the success stories, white papers, TCO and ROI 
> numbers, stats and graphs and commercial crap you want. As long as it 
> looks like something a bunch of teenagers slapped together in MS 
> Paint, you will not get media coverage and no serious company will 
> listen to you! The facts may be correct, but if presented in a bad 
> way, nobody will care about them.

Agreed.

> Im not a programmer. I cant contribute to the project in form of code. 
> Im not rich, so I cant really contribute in forms of donations or 
> hardware either. However, I, and many like me, are willing to 
> contribute time and effort in trying to improve FreeBSD's image, so 
> that the people that do know how to code can go back to doing exactly 
> that without having to worry about things like PR and marketing. If I 
> can spend one day on marketing to save even a few hours of a 
> programmers time so he can spend it programming, I think its worth it. 
> Dont you?

Yes!  Sure I do!  I just think there is to much talk about a redesign 
and not enough action - don't you agree with that?

> If you could show me one important thing that needs to be done that I 
> am capable of doing, and that would really help the project, let me 
> know and I will drop the logo debate and attend to that instead. I 
> have not been able to find such a thing, therefor Im still trying to 
> show the world what a great os FreeBSD really is, but frankly, the 
> unwillingness of some people to accept that help really starts to wear 
> me down.

Either a new separate freebsd.com home page or the current freebsd.org 
home page will need to include links to tons of good marketing 
material?  Where is all that material? Can you collect the bits and 
pieces that could be used? Maybe create some yourself?

/czv



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