Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 22:36:19 +0400 From: Stanislav Sedov <ssedov@mbsd.msk.ru> To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org, "Andrew Pantyukhin" <infofarmer@FreeBSD.org>, Jeremy Messenger <mezz7@cox.net>, portmgr@freebsd.org Subject: Re: BSD.local.dist - share/locale Message-ID: <20060824223619.2c8593ee@localhost> In-Reply-To: <cb5206420608241309l3cea6d31md43b592557535560@mail.gmail.com> References: <cb5206420608240626g7f3756c9g8754d7a437c5fd25@mail.gmail.com> <op.tesirrx09aq2h7@mezz.mezzweb.com> <cb5206420608240750y374ba12es2afbe254acf126cc@mail.gmail.com> <20060824224521.300b2185@localhost> <cb5206420608241309l3cea6d31md43b592557535560@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 00:09:33 +0400
"Andrew Pantyukhin" <infofarmer@FreeBSD.org> mentioned:
> On 8/24/06, Stanislav Sedov <ssedov@mbsd.msk.ru> wrote:
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 18:50:52 +0400
> > "Andrew Pantyukhin" <infofarmer@FreeBSD.org> mentioned:
> >
> > > On 8/24/06, Jeremy Messenger <mezz7@cox.net> wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 08:26:53 -0500, Andrew Pantyukhin
> > > > <infofarmer@FreeBSD.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I can't help thinking that the way we're trying to deal with
> > > > > locale directories is far from optimal. IMHO, there are
> > > > > several ways to improve the state of things:
> > > >
> > > > I think the current how we handle locale is a bit silly, so I perso=
nal in
> > > > favor of create localehier like misc/gnomehier than four suggested =
below..
> > > > Honestly, I would be more rather to put mtree that is for ports in
> > > > somewhere of /usr/ports/ than /etc/mtree/ that way any version of F=
reeBSD
> > > > won't have any of left over directories problem.
> > >
> > > It's a good idea, but we're back at the second question -
> > > what if someone fancies to pkg_delete -xf gnomehier?
> > > There will be no way to get a clean system after that
> > > other than by reinstalling gnomehier and deleting it after
> > > all the ports requiring it.
> >
> > That's not the main problem, and hasn't point at all since we
> > don't support such kind of deinstalls - dependent ports should
> > be deinstalled before dependencies.
>=20
> Oh, I'm quite sure you don't mean it. You're saying that
> every time we upgrade a port we should also reinstall all
> the ports relying on it? Because there's no way we can
> guarantee a port's directory structure stays intact across
> upgrades.
In fact, yes, we should.
>=20
> > The main argument for deinstalling all files/direcotries that
> > port creates follows from FreeBSD ports goal to support different
> > PREFIXES. That is, you can install gettext into /usr/local and
> > smth that depends on gettext into /usr/local/opt. In that case
> > all these share/locale/xxx dirs will be created under /usr/local/opt
> > PREFIX and if this dependent port will not make effort to remove
> > these files/directories on deinstall, they will stay under /usr/local/o=
pt
> > forever, though not listed in ${MTREE_FILE}.
>=20
> Again, you don't really mean it. Try installing any p5 port into
> a non-localbase prefix, and you'll see that lib/perl5 and Co. will
> be left over after deinstall. Even if you suppose that all ports
> respect PREFIX (which many of them don't), it's not a simple
> task to deal with non-mtree left-overs. I would very much like to
> think that your locale effort is a step towards a better world,
> but it really appears to be a step nowhere at all. I hope I'm too
> short-sighted and mistaken.
>=20
Didn't I say the same? ;-) You are not quite right, most of ports
respect PREFIX and remove all directories they creates. I can't really
say why perl/ruby ports don't do this - it may be inaccurate commits, PRs
etc. When creating ocaml framework I've added stubs to automatically
add shared dirs into PLIST. Probably, ruby and perl frameworks require
the same step forward.
> > The only possible solution I can imagine is to add these direcories into
> > mtree file, but since all pacthes are alredy there, there is no reason
> > doing this now. Just port committers should check PLISTS accurately. Th=
is
> > could be achieved by installing port with non standard PREFIX=3Dxxx,
> > deinstalling it and looking for directories/files left.
> >
> > The other possible solution is to implement some technique to automatic=
ally
> > gather directories dependencies created and add them into plist.
>=20
> We only need to care about the directories we created (or might have
> created if there were none) out of mtree. It's an enormous task to fix
> all the ports to do that - and there are quite a few cases when we
> just can't remove an empty dir if its real owner is still installed.
>
Don't understand what are you trying to clarify...
Again: every port should be PREFIX clean, but that doesn't mean that
we should brought entire our work away and sit fixing all the ports.
Just every new commit/PR should ensure PREFIX safety and some amount
of time should be payed to perl/ruby frameworks by their respective
maintainers (we could fix p5-, ruby- ports all by placing some simple
logic into bsd.ruby.mk and bsd.perl.mk).=20
=20
>=20
> A worthwhile effort would be to ensure PREFIX compliance for all
> ports.
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Stanislav Sedov MBSD labs, Inc. <ssedov@mbsd.msk.ru>
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