From owner-freebsd-chat Tue Sep 3 19:47:20 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.FreeBSD.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E572637B400 for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B3C43E6A for ; Tue, 3 Sep 2002 19:47:16 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from tlambert2@mindspring.com) Received: from pool0171.cvx21-bradley.dialup.earthlink.net ([209.179.192.171] helo=mindspring.com) by scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 17mQCD-0004NW-00; Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:47:09 -0700 Message-ID: <3D7573F0.EDC1196B@mindspring.com> Date: Tue, 03 Sep 2002 19:46:08 -0700 From: Terry Lambert X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Neal E. Westfall" Cc: Dave Hayes , chat@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Why did evolution fail? References: <20020903151011.S66978-100000@Tolstoy.home.lan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org "Neal E. Westfall" wrote: > On Mon, 2 Sep 2002, Terry Lambert wrote: > > Dave Hayes wrote: > > > It's not the environment that votes, it's the creature that dies. > > > The environment is fairly static in this case. > > > > The environment chooses the creatures which survive. > > Why do you insist on reifying nature? Are you a pantheist? No. Recognizing that the environment acts upon an individual doesn't take a pantheist (I guess it also puts the nail in the coffin of your idea that I am a Monoist... ;^)). > > My personal preference it to analyze the problem, determine > > the class of problems it represents (if non-unique), and then > > solve for the set of problems the space represented by the > > class, do it once, and never have to look back. I hate having > > to solve the same problem more than once: it's an incredible > > waste of my time. > > Have you solved the problem of induction yet? > 8-) If I had, then you are probably having this conversation with a computer program. 8-). > Consider this hypothesis: > > "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all > ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the > truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about > God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. > For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, > His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, > being understood through what has been made, so that they are > without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not > honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in > their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened." > (Romans 1:18-21) It's always easy to argue in third person perfect, because you never have to take the blame for the ideas, and there's never an appeal to a contradictory witness to worry about. 8-). > > Not a dodge. My Uncle-by-marriage's sister is the person who > > dispenses Charles Manson's medication. Some people yanked out > > out their interface cables before the programming was complete. > > Can't go there, remember? There is no Programmer, hence no > programming. > 8-) That's "Programmer", not "programmer". 8-). -- Terry To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-chat" in the body of the message