From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jun 7 18:10:17 2005 Return-Path: X-Original-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4631716A41C for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:10:17 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: from mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.26]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0906843D48 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:10:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from freebsd-chat-local@be-well.ilk.org) Received: (qmail 2012 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 18:10:16 -0000 Received: from dsl092-078-145.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net (HELO be-well.ilk.org) ([66.92.78.145]) (envelope-sender ) by mail24.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jun 2005 18:10:15 -0000 Received: by be-well.ilk.org (Postfix, from userid 1147) id 3296327; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 14:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lowell@be-well.ilk.org To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org References: <42A4FD3F.70407@pacific.net.sg> <44y89mb1e0.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> <20050607175303.GA96525@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> From: Lowell Gilbert Date: 07 Jun 2005 14:10:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20050607175303.GA96525@Grumpy.DynDNS.org> Message-ID: <44acm2m41k.fsf@be-well.ilk.org> Lines: 29 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: apple moving to x86 X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:10:17 -0000 David Kelly writes: > On Tue, Jun 07, 2005 at 12:03:03PM -0400, Lowell Gilbert wrote: > > Jared writes: > > > > > I have heard rumors of this, I hope they do, at least make the mac x86 > > > compliant. > > > > That's their plan. It was in the business section of my morning paper > > today. > > No, that is NOT Apple's plan. Apple's plan is to use Intel CPUs. It has > nothing to do with "make the mac x86 compliant" or to use commodity PC > hardware. I thought "x86" referred to the CPU family, not the system architecture. In fact, I still do: but on re-reading the message to which I was responding, I realize that "compliant" must refer to the latter rather than the earlier. I hope I didn't confuse anyone. > I think Apple will cause the PC market to clean up their act. To make > hardware that actually does what it says it will do. Something Microsoft > either never understood or lacked the guts to enforce. I don't see where the pressure for that kind of change would come from. Neither company has ever made many specific claims about what the hardware should do. And I'm not sure they should; I'm really not a fan of general purpose computing systems being tied to specific hardware.