Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:28:30 +0300 From: Daniel Braniss <danny@cs.huji.ac.il> To: Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg>, Michelle Sullivan <michelle@sorbs.net> Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: [HEADSUP] pkg(8) is now the only package management tool Message-ID: <C4EC1A3A-6EB1-4EE1-ACEA-12C8E203991C@cs.huji.ac.il> In-Reply-To: <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg> References: <20140901195520.GB77917@ivaldir.etoilebsd.net> <54050D07.4010404@sorbs.net> <CAOFF%2BZ1MOr9-rYbwHYWqBKjMvRPwUnew4jThEoJ_WkoTmwyNsQ@mail.gmail.com> <540522A3.9050506@sorbs.net> <54052891.5000104@my.hennepintech.edu> <54052DFA.4030808@freebsd.org> <54053372.6020009@my.hennepintech.edu> <5405890F.8080804@freebsd.org> <CAF-3MvNBWSEWF-HarwF0xcXQgo=7-dO%2BtvLMO1maELPY0RVhQQ@mail.gmail.com> <20140902125256.Horde.uv31ztwymThxUZ-OYPQoBw1@webmail.df.eu> <5405AE54.60809@sorbs.net> <1D2B4A91-E76C-43A0-BE75-D926357EF1AF@gmail.com> <5405E4F5.4090902@sorbs.net> <5406BD65.705@digsys.bg> <5406ED34.7090301@sorbs.net> <5406F00C.6090504@digsys.bg>
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On Sep 3, 2014, at 1:40 PM, Daniel Kalchev <daniel@digsys.bg> wrote: > > On 03.09.14 13:28, Michelle Sullivan wrote: >> >>> We will have to live with it. WhateverHat is not better. >> I can't comment on that - the entire org runs *Hat, I've spent the last >> 3 years showing the benefits of *BSD and now I feel completely betrayed >> because there is no chance of them changing, "You see it's not an >> Enterprise OS"... > > FreeBSD is a toolkit, not a "product" (ok, it's a product if you look for toolkit). It is an very good toolkit to build UNIX-like systems and many enterprises use it. Some do wonders with it, some, disasters. As with any good toolkit, there is an entire ecosystem for support built around it. FreeBSD also works out of the box but we are clearly not discussing this here. > > I understand your effort and frustration -- everyone who has dealt with BSD UNIX has come to face it -- the media was instructed to praise/blame Linux (out of topic why) and the mainstream "me too" crowd is embracing it easier.. When most of the people who come to interviews answer "I know Windows or Linux" your management does not have much choice. > Back in their days of glory, Cisco had very interesting marketing strategy: "Never compete with anyone head to head -- the other party can always optimize for the bench case. Instead, work with the user to build and list of their requirements... and at the end see your product is the only one that matches". Helps :) hi all, sorry to barge in :-), but since I have been trying to upgrade my /usr/local now for a few days, and counting, I tend to understand Michelle’s frustration, I also understand that managing a ports distribution is not for the weak hearted. Here is my story: before I updated the ports via portsnap, I made sure the tree was clean, i.e., ran pkg check -Ba and portmaster -dvga and all was ok. upgraded ports, ran portmaster ports-mgmt/pkg, and now, since that day I am running portmaster -dvga and hand fixing issues. all this in a non production environment - learned from past experiences. btw, we have several hundred computers, most of them desktops running Linux, but all the servers run FreeBSD. Basically, I dread the day I run portsnap fetch update don’t get me wrong, I am all in favour of progress, iI really hate to see lines like #ifdef EUNICE my 2cents danny
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