From owner-freebsd-advocacy Tue Jun 12 10:29:43 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org Received: from nef.ens.fr (nef.ens.fr [129.199.96.32]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5E5037B40E for ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 10:29:33 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from Rahul.Siddharthan@lpt.ens.fr) Received: from corto.lpt.ens.fr (corto.lpt.ens.fr [129.199.122.2]) by nef.ens.fr (8.10.1/1.01.28121999) with ESMTP id f5CHTV625858 ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:29:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from (rsidd@localhost) by corto.lpt.ens.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id TAA29267 ; Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:30:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 19:30:22 +0200 From: Rahul Siddharthan To: Rich Wilson Cc: advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Mundie, Perens, GPL, BSD etc again Message-ID: <20010612193022.K7519@lpt.ens.fr> References: <20010612164749.38598.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20010612164749.38598.qmail@web12308.mail.yahoo.com>; from wk633@yahoo.com on Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 09:47:49AM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 3.4-STABLE i386 Sender: owner-freebsd-advocacy@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Rich Wilson said on Jun 12, 2001 at 09:47:49: > Aritlce on ZDNet: Is BSD getting lost amid the open source salvos? > > Evan Leibovitch has some ideas as to why BSD is so quiet durring all of this. > > http://www.zdnet.com/enterprise/stories/main/0,10228,2772296,00.html Looks like he's been reading the FreeBSD mailing list archives (he links to a mail to this list by Ted Mittelstaedt...) and possibly sites like daily.daemonnews (where the original poster called the signatories of the Perens letter a "cadre of elitists" and a "clique of millionaires" [1], has the impression that the BSD people don't like the Linux people. Which is, obviously, not an unjustified impression. Though I have never understood this attitude. What's the point of fighting linux? It's not the real enemy (or any kind of enemy). Leibovitch asks why BSD people aren't speaking out. But as I mentioned in an earlier mail [2], BSD people hardly ever speak out about broad issues of "free software". It's left to people like Eric Raymond to talk about BSD while rebutting Mundie [3]. On the other hand, people routinely complain when BSD people aren't asked to co-sign such letters. I find it not at all surprising that the "free software community" doesn't have BSD uppermost in mind, since the BSD community itself likes to stay so aloof from the rest of the free software world. Also, I don't think BSD is immune from damage merely because Microsoft was training its guns on the GPL. If Microsoft does succeed in out-fudding Linux, and if the popularity of the BSDs continues to increase, the BSD systems will be the next target of the FUD machine, business-friendly license or not. ("First they came for the Jews...") - Rahul [1] http://daily.daemonnews.org/view_story.php3?story_id=1918 [2] http://docs.FreeBSD.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=80178+0+archive/2001/freebsd-advocacy/20010527.freebsd-advocacy [3] http://lwn.net/2001/0607/a/esr-big-lie.php3 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-advocacy" in the body of the message