From owner-freebsd-questions Mon Oct 2 15:20:24 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from area51.v-wave.com (area51.v-wave.com [24.108.52.213]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 66CEF37B503 for ; Mon, 2 Oct 2000 15:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 53129 invoked by uid 1001); 2 Oct 2000 22:20:18 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2000 16:20:18 -0600 From: Chris Wasser To: freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: APOLOGIES GIVEN TO ALL Message-ID: <20001002162018.A52942@area51.v-wave.com> References: <39D8FAA6.3C2CE669@home.com> <14809.216.377993.679478@chris.xsb.com> <39D90385.C9397AEA@home.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.4i In-Reply-To: <39D90385.C9397AEA@home.com>; from professional3d@home.com on Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 02:52:05PM -0700 X-Operating-System: FreeBSD 4.1.1-STABLE Sender: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Mon, Oct 02, 2000 at 02:52:05PM -0700, xavian anderson macpherson wrote: > how do you consider me to have been yelling? I APOPLOGIZED. i am fully > aware of the kld for vinum. but you still have to define it. i just > want to know if this can be or is done during installation? It's quite apparent you haven't been online for any extended period of time. Phrases done in capitals are considered yelling which most people will interpret as an antagonistic approach and will treat you accordingly. The biggest part to using FreeBSD effectively is research. This isn't Microsoft Windows or Linux, here you have to work for results, not run some configuration wizard. There are mailing list archives online at www.freebsd.org which you can search for others who have run across your problem (and more then likely, answered) or you can take the time to read manpages. There are also quite a few FreeBSD support websites such as www.freebsdzine.org which has plenty of tutorials and I know for a fact it has one on vinum. If this sounds like too much work for you, perhaps you should go back to using Linux or some other operating system which caters to the lazy. Try helping yourself first before asking others for help, anything and everything you want to do in FreeBSD is documented somewhere, all you have to do is look. If necessary, go buy Greg's excellent The Complete FreeBSD which for the most part does all the hand-holding you'll need, and it's effective I know, I've given the book to my clients who lived in a double-click world and can now use FreeBSD well enough to get their jobs done which is a major accomplishment considering these are the kind of people who couldn't figure out drag and drop. I tend to get a little irked when I see people who expect everything to be done for them who haven't even BOTHERED to research the problem (and you're certainly not the first one to do this) themselves before demanding support from other people who devote thousands of man-hours towards producing the excellent product that FreeBSD is, if you want end-user support, I'm sure Microsoft is more then willing to oblidge you. The information is all there, go do some digging. Anyways, just my two cents worth. Private replies >/dev/null 2>&1 To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-questions" in the body of the message