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[174.109.231.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b43sm5318361qtk.84.2020.09.04.12.44.31 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 04 Sep 2020 12:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from scorpio.seibercom.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by scorpio.seibercom.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Bjp621J6lznbP for ; Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:44:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at scorpio.seibercom.net Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:44:19 -0400 From: Jerry To: "User Questions" Subject: Re: OT: proof that Linux is brain damaged Message-ID: <20200904154419.23c5333b@scorpio.seibercom.net> In-Reply-To: References: <20200904104811.b08f24d8f0397e77cef01cbd@aim.com> <20200904181205.78cbb979@archlinux> <96896a75-3b65-1e9b-e7d2-5ddd6cc4b111@kicp.uchicago.edu> <790a3043-5bb9-f70f-3bba-aaf96970cc88@kicp.uchicago.edu> Reply-To: "User Questions" Organization: seibercom NET X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.17.5 (GTK+ 2.24.32; amd64-portbld-freebsd11.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="Sig_/OaEpMeRf=rt2Gxyw2pgrjI9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BjpHf621dz4XCX X-Spamd-Bar: ++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=seibercom.net header.s=google header.b=ZsfgufUn; dmarc=none; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of jerry@seibercom.net designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::742 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=jerry@seibercom.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [2.19 / 15.00]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[4]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[seibercom.net:+]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.22)[-0.219]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; REPLYTO_EQ_TO_ADDR(5.00)[]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[174.109.231.236:received]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.97)[-0.969]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[seibercom.net:s=google]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_ALL(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.03)[-1.025]; MIME_GOOD(-0.20)[multipart/signed,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[seibercom.net]; RCPT_COUNT_ONE(0.00)[1]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::742:from]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; GREYLIST(0.00)[pass,body]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-questions] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2020 19:52:47 -0000 --Sig_/OaEpMeRf=rt2Gxyw2pgrjI9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 12:38:40 -0400, Aryeh Friedman stated: >You are of course free use your system until it becomes unusable but >the FreeBSD Xorg team completely disagrees with you on having to make >accomidations for systemd even when it isn't technical needed: >https://www.x.org/wiki/Events/XDC2014/XDC2014PedronFreeBSD/XDC-2014_FreeBS= D.pdf That document is dated circa 2014, so I question how relative it is in today environment. In any case, there are those who can solve the most complex problems in the universe while listening to Johann Sebastian Bach and those who cannot walk and chew gum at the same time. I think it is apparent what we are dealing with here. --=20 Jerry --Sig_/OaEpMeRf=rt2Gxyw2pgrjI9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEIQb/tTwl6I1ueEVtOHMGOIfexWQFAl9SmRMACgkQOHMGOIfe xWTVCgf/QQZCpvg65qhdhIaF4WDnsGHXZGhhlPeyNY1tWkr1MA1LAaQkIUofKQ44 Y+/Hpk0wUZSWTHS8XB9HthLVob1q5Ce7k11fg7KLY6n0xlAqX3UBrkasoyVrwBlV SgMCg8wGumd4fUVarbVAouAYAvnnyNP3FKoO7kJje00xLP+AdH5bb39lfG2knF95 ScupZPWSrZ1+GOgu9NmIMtDN110TWzZRlen+Y8p1h+GOSAUt/JCVypjQAZgS56Kf Ouax943jhg+lDqGHIUqjJwHhFVpgMFZ7rRCNdV30ZRiMrGl2ZuYcI9F9KvElClz7 us5wYjqj2eLEeO8Q3MN24LM1vn1HWA== =M/na -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Sig_/OaEpMeRf=rt2Gxyw2pgrjI9--