From owner-freebsd-stable Thu Apr 13 10:55:25 2000 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from moek.pir.net (moek.pir.net [209.192.237.190]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C828D37B549 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:55:20 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from pir@pir.net) Received: from pir by moek.pir.net with local (Exim) id 12fnpd-0007Z5-00 for stable@FreeBSD.ORG; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:55:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:55:08 -0400 From: Peter Radcliffe To: stable Subject: Re: 4.1 date? Message-ID: <20000413135508.C26008@pir.net> Reply-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mail-Followup-To: stable References: <20000412183413.A69623@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000413101202.A6605@luna.cdrom.com> <20000413181640.B99705@dogma.freebsd-uk.eu.org> <20000413102553.B6605@luna.cdrom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <20000413102553.B6605@luna.cdrom.com>; from jim@luna.cdrom.com on Thu, Apr 13, 2000 at 10:25:53AM -0700 X-fish: < X-Copy-On-Listmail: Please do NOT Cc: me on list mail. Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG Jim Mock probably said: > If people are waiting for 4.1, they shouldn't be; there's no reason for > them not to be using 4.0. Other than the fact there are things broken in it that worked fine in 3.4 which prohibit it's use for most of my machines; o It won't install OOTB due to ATA problems on one older laptop I have and when I got it installed (using 3.4 as a bootstrap and a wdc based kernel) pcmcia didn't work properly. o It doesn't work with the ISA pcmcia controller I have in another machine. o It produces lots of ATA problems on a reasonable number of machines (many of these have been patched in -stable already, though, I believe). I've had no luck tracking down (with help from various good people here and in -mobile) these problems with 4.0-STABLE and have filed a pr on the first problem. I'm running it happily on an all SCSI machine (I wanted the SBLive support), but it's by no means clean and by no means ready for full production use, IMO. This is a .0 release and lots of people are waiting for the .1 release before using it in production. I've tried to do some test installs on machines and hit walls of problems on all bar one machine that I can't solve and no one else I've talked to seems to be able to either. People testing 4.0 would be sensible, since if you find problems they might get fixed sooner and it helps things progress. This isn't a slam on the project, I don't expect things to work perfectly first time and strongly appreciate the work and time people put into it for no monitary return, but saying there is no reason to wait for 4.1, well ... P. -- pir pir@pir.net pir@net.tufts.edu To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message