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Date:      Wed, 17 Jun 1998 20:50:05 +0100
From:      Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
To:        Sue Blake <sue@welearn.com.au>, Nik Clayton <nik@nothing-going-on.demon.co.uk>
Cc:        Tim Gerchmez <fewtch@serv.net>, freebsd-newbies@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: Pine and Pico
Message-ID:  <19980617205005.51409@nothing-going-on.org>
In-Reply-To: <19980617180012.64598@welearn.com.au>; from Sue Blake on Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 06:00:12PM %2B1000
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On Wed, Jun 17, 1998 at 06:00:12PM +1000, Sue Blake wrote:
> > would show you the information you're looking for in the "Invocation"
> > section.
> 
> Of course, the "Invocation" section! Jeez, I'd never have thought of that
> word, glad you mentioned it :-)

Well, it's only 2 and a half (or thereabouts) pages in on a 25 line display
:-)

And, when you think about it, you only pass the parameters when you 
'invoke' the program.

> > Alternatively, you could look at some existing shell scripts on your 
> > system to see if they do it. /etc/rc, /etc/rc.serial and /etc/rc.firewall
> > have examples of examining the positional parameters passed to a script
> > (although, granted, they're not the easiest code to understand).
> 
> "positional parameters"? I reckon it'd be much easier to get info out of
> man pages if some of these words were more familiar, and I guess that
> sort of grows on you after doing battle with man pages for a while.

What would be a more familiar term? 

As far as I can tell, any term you use for them is going to carry overtones
of where ever you first learned the term.

With my "Hmm, that's interesting" hat on, I notice that Tim's original
message didn't name (exactly) what he was talking. He said

> What's the equivalent in Unix of %1, %2, etc in a DOS batch file?  

At the risk of misrepresenting Tim's position, if he can't phrase what
he's looking for in a meaningful fashion (Tim: I mean that as "You don't
know the meaning of those terms" not "You're a blithering idiot", please
don't take offence) then finding the answer is going to be difficult no
matter what.

Keep in mind that the system manual pages are not meant to be tutorials,
they're references. The comp.unix.shell FAQ would probably have been
more useful.

[ And to second guess your next question "How did you know the newsgroup
  existed?" -- I didn't. I asked my newsreader for all newsgroups that
  contained the word "shell" in the name, just on the off chance. ]

> There isn't a glossary anywhere, is there?

Probably, but you'll need to shell[1] out some money. I would imagine that
O'Reilly do a decent shell programming book which probably has a glossary.

N

[1] OK, I know, it was a very bad joke. Sorry.
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