From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jul 5 07:22:30 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11225106564A for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:22:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from j.mckeown@ru.ac.za) Received: from mail.ru.ac.za (mail.ru.ac.za [IPv6:2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30E1A8FC24 for ; Thu, 5 Jul 2012 07:22:29 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ru.ac.za; s=ru-msa; h=X-Authenticated-User:Message-Id:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Subject:To:From; bh=n8Q/HbKKP85F2bVkdLq4lbcSDqC5G4DF9YusUuY7nFs=; b=OLav5TlcH+wsvBZ2pscSSg5JVoLVQZXsr4qchkUu+UyJeMg1QArdTbZ4UCluCoWQnZHkBQFgLj0Q7Rz7eOzSWA3RjJjH23o1wNDlJorknz6f90Q+0z/JPfHhBs5AHvdv; Received: from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za ([2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932]:51419) by mail.ru.ac.za with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.76 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1SmgOQ-000N4L-21 for freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org; Thu, 05 Jul 2012 09:22:26 +0200 From: Jonathan McKeown Organization: Rhodes University To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2012 09:22:25 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.10 References: <4FF4BEED.10103@FreeBSD.org> <62039A45-92E4-4588-988D-6DF39D7B01E5@bsdimp.com> In-Reply-To: <62039A45-92E4-4588-988D-6DF39D7B01E5@bsdimp.com> X-Face: $@VrUx^RHy/}yu]jKf/<4T%/d|F+$j-Ol2"2J$q+%OK1]&/G_S9(=?utf-8?q?HkaQ*=60!=3FYOK=3FY!=27M=60C=0A=09aP=5C9nVPF8Q=7DCilHH8l=3B=7E!4?= =?utf-8?q?2HK6=273lg4J=7Daz?=@1Dqqh:J]M^"YPn*2IWrZON$1+G?oX3@ =?utf-8?q?k=230=0A=0954XDRg=3DYn=5FF-etwot4U=24b?=dTS{i X-Virus-Scanned: mail.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:0:250:56ff:fe8d:5) X-Authenticated-User: s0900137 from vorkosigan.ru.ac.za (2001:4200:1010:1058:219:d1ff:fe9f:a932) using auth_plaintext Subject: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2012 07:22:30 -0000 On Thursday 05 July 2012 08:10:17 Warner Losh wrote: > On Jul 4, 2012, at 4:08 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > First, I agree that being able to turn it off should be possible. But I > > can't help being curious ... why would you *not* want a feature that > > tells you what to install if you type a command that doesn't exist on > > the system? > > Because I find on Linux it often gets it wrong and winds up being useless > noise. Mostly, though, it is because I mistype commands more than I type > commands that should be there, but aren't. Why on earth /would/ I want a command-line Clippy? (``I see you typed gerp. Would you like me to help you find a package with a gerp command?''). It was bloody irritating in Microsoft Office and it would be bloody irritating on the command line. Besides, as Warner points out, I'm many times more likely to get my fingers in a twist than randomly type in a command to see if it does anything. As for the idea that Linux refugees need extra help to migrate, that's the sort of thinking that led to things like: alias dir=ls for MSDOS refugees. It might be a useful crutch for a while but eventually you need to learn the system you're using rather than try to make it more like the one you got rid of. Or perhaps I'm just a grumpy old man.... More seriously, maybe we should have something like in the Handbook. And before someone says patches welcome, I think it needs to be someone who knows Linux rather better than I do. Jonathan