From owner-freebsd-hackers Thu Sep 4 16:50:49 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA01590 for hackers-outgoing; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nico.telstra.net (nico.telstra.net [139.130.204.16]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA01582 for ; Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:50:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from freebie.lemis.com (gregl1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.136.133]) by nico.telstra.net (8.6.10/8.6.10) with ESMTP id JAA17014; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:46:38 +1000 Received: (grog@localhost) by freebie.lemis.com (8.8.7/8.6.12) id JAA27859; Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:16:34 +0930 (CST) Message-ID: <19970905091633.16283@lemis.com> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 09:16:33 +0930 From: Greg Lehey To: "Jamil J. Weatherbee" Cc: Nate Williams , Mike Smith , Jaye Mathisen , hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Anyway to get connect speed with usermode ppp/tun0 device? References: <199709031656.KAA27641@rocky.mt.sri.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.81e In-Reply-To: ; from Jamil J. Weatherbee on Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 12:31:53AM -0700 Organisation: LEMIS, PO Box 460, Echunga SA 5153, Australia Phone: +61-8-8388-8250 Fax: +61-8-8388-8250 Mobile: +61-41-739-7062 WWW-Home-Page: http://www.lemis.com/~grog Fight-Spam-Now: http://www.cauce.org Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk On Thu, Sep 04, 1997 at 12:31:53AM -0700, Jamil J. Weatherbee wrote: > >> can point to the customer and say "it ain't my problem your connection >> sucks so badly, it's the phone company's problem". > > Speaking to reps from the phone company somehow I doubt that --- more > likely (especially if your a tenant) is inside wiring as the culprit. > Phone companies (at least in the US) are required to maintain certain > levels of measurable line quality. Yup, they are. I've been spending a lot of time with Telstra, Australia's main telco (I've been thinking of writing up the story--it would be funny if it hadn't been such a pain). One of them told me the standards that they have to maintain: you must be able to run a V.22bis modem on the lines. For those who don't know, that translates to 2400 bps. This doesn't mean that they won't look at a problem if it means, for example, that somebody running his V.34 modem only gets 14,400 bps. But if they can't fix it, they'll say, "sorry, you're still getting better than we guarantee". I'd guess that the situation is the same in other countries. It's only been a few years since V.22bis was the norm, and that's what the phone companies laid for, so it's even reasonable for them to take this stance. For the record, apart from this reported incident, I've had no problems whatsoever with Telstra's line quality (about the only problem I haven't had with Telstra), and I live way out in the hills. Greg