From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Oct 7 13:18:48 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2179212F2E9 for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:18:48 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: from mail-qt1-x833.google.com (mail-qt1-x833.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::833]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46n1Jk3zjsz41Hr for ; Mon, 7 Oct 2019 13:18:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wlosh@bsdimp.com) Received: by mail-qt1-x833.google.com with SMTP id w14so19014308qto.9 for ; Mon, 07 Oct 2019 06:18:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=E810rhpdUPzd8mMa1CAmKLGziMVbw44I33FAvePQGho=; b=mGShQicQCfL6cKhYnORH8lUBUp/Q6TQorsxjWOjvMxEOjocKDeb8TVzGyevgOIAj5C UPYk2nkrSRc6w0e3G98v5stzn6wtwzW2Eb4FJ/n+riZwRWWsTFl99FnP+njAYTUPWncV aYsaynn2zkxYHVjME0hllFHwciOAUDzXGJ43iWFhchDXp1aOKLYgMGmBOv2Jd2o9Bl2Q uvo8rA/ISngvoHRJ+UNSp34Pmk5YC+TvwIKelb9nu566EEpkFW6HN4s7sT4f9g7qBOKj kGXgObF8htGC7a3vXVV8CwlqQJwkHHSLRwHfD5S7SEt0XHIu0oLXmmKQ3rO7rHKd4HKd 3w0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=E810rhpdUPzd8mMa1CAmKLGziMVbw44I33FAvePQGho=; b=UCFJIHJa0aTz08/Vb4E+86YvR+WGWtaexxp2hiWgmiuOvcmEX5G5wwabUyzWJBtT/3 ckavlUTLCv9UgEPjkQhuXfO5gTIO/dEPPIKbeFwLOX6uzBDr2KaJzZbeUmebkKc3tZot xHQOl9SixA5j9ZASXnUByUCizANxI1FIWgarok5xwzG3l7OBSP31LVYQo3ViknDk+B1F qK7HcSRIL3Cf8DgbnS5H3la/SX4JJ4ne5dada2KwqwnuELogPTOSON23ivyCZfoQ+rzK ukpvYiVi3gt/tVlu27DgaVvXFZZUQ5jJ4SoJDt8ojBoOO/cehm/r4WKQFRlsH8zdmmXa r2hQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWNZptdJLkpBGUGrLn2R9PzBvqKafEwNoW8BJni+1NMkWc+p+lf ZwOVUNSXtL4GcyTnhex07OaCzQd1i71EEtMIRJqcDg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwZEqkTYgpW8acw+1DgkZ/AFbEkVCBPVWdZHdWGrDD6GIZpputMFllKUSxSIJ9vvrbuGuVytB4Bmt0ZDyUtHgQ= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:44c9:: with SMTP id b9mr29654372qto.175.1570454324891; Mon, 07 Oct 2019 06:18:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <201910060322.x963Mwo1065732@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> <89501a69-ea37-7016-5ccb-286ff65b2e2a@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <89501a69-ea37-7016-5ccb-286ff65b2e2a@FreeBSD.org> From: Warner Losh Date: Mon, 7 Oct 2019 07:18:33 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: New CPUTYPE default for i386 port To: Lev Serebryakov Cc: "Rodney W. Grimes" , freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 46n1Jk3zjsz41Hr X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com header.s=20150623 header.b=mGShQicQ; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wlosh@bsdimp.com has no SPF policy when checking 2607:f8b0:4864:20::833) smtp.mailfrom=wlosh@bsdimp.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.81 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:s=20150623]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-arch@freebsd.org]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[bsdimp.com]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[bsdimp-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com:+]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[3.3.8.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.2.0.0.4.6.8.4.0.b.8.f.7.0.6.2.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; FORGED_SENDER(0.30)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; IP_SCORE(-2.81)[ip: (-9.29), ipnet: 2607:f8b0::/32(-2.55), asn: 15169(-2.14), country: US(-0.05)]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; FROM_NEQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[imp@bsdimp.com,wlosh@bsdimp.com]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.29 X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 13:18:48 -0000 On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 6:27 AM Lev Serebryakov wrote: > On 06.10.2019 6:54, Warner Losh wrote: > > > There are two issues here. First, the pentiums under ~200mhz don't > support > > booting off of CDROM. Second, most of the Pentium chipsets couldn't use > > more than 64MB, so often that was the max you could get. Pentium Pro in > > that era did more memory, but it was the first i686. Pentium II were a > > different story as well. Both often were provisioned with 128MB or more. > There are embedded devices, like AMD Geode, which could be loaded with > enough memory, but is not fully i686. > > Soekris Net5501, anyone > Yes. There are a few exceptions to the rule of thumb I gave. And for the old embedded gear that people still have knocking around, the won't be able to use released images but will need to roll your own. The support isn't being removed, just the default target is being upped. Can we still boot the release images on these boxes anyway? When I built my Solaris box, I used nanobsd... Warner -- > // Lev Serebryakov > >