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To: Pawel Jakub Dawidek <pjd@FreeBSD.org>
In-reply-to: Your message of "Sat, 03 Dec 2005 16:25:28 +0100."
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Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 14:48:59 -0800
From: "Kevin Oberman" <oberman@es.net>
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Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/etc/rc.d root 
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> Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2005 16:25:28 +0100
> From: Pawel Jakub Dawidek <pjd@FreeBSD.org>
> Sender: owner-cvs-all@freebsd.org
> 
> On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 09:33:43PM +0000, Ruslan Ermilov wrote:
> +> ru          2005-12-02 21:33:43 UTC
> +> 
> +>   FreeBSD src repository
> +> 
> +>   Modified files:
> +>     etc/rc.d             root 
> +>   Log:
> [...]
> +>   "-u" no longer causes the transition from RO to RW,
> +>   now that mount(8) was converted to use nmount(2), so
> +>   an explicit change to RW is required.  Keep up with
> +>   this change, and use "-uw" to mount root read-write.
> 
> I really don't know how we can drop support for '-u'.
> IMHO this is very widely used and will be a real PITA for users.
> I also never saw '-uw' before (I always used just '-u').
> 
> Are you guys also volunteering to fix FreeBSD documentation?:)
> 
> I really, really do think that this is a very bad idea.

Among the many places this needs to be changed is in the system upgrade
instructions in /usr/src/UPDATING. I've been typing 'mount -u /' for so
many years that it will take some time to re-program my neurons,
too. :-(

Was this really needed and just how does it improve things? Sure doesn't
make my life any easier, but it's not as bad as the mess Gnome 2.12 made
of a few things on my systems, so maybe I should not complain.
-- 
R. Kevin Oberman, Network Engineer
Energy Sciences Network (ESnet)
Ernest O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory (Berkeley Lab)
E-mail: oberman@es.net			Phone: +1 510 486-8634