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Date:      Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:46:40 +1100
From:      Kubilay Kocak <koobs@FreeBSD.org>
To:        lists@tcm.yi.org
Cc:        freebsd-ports@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: TEST_DEPENDS in all-depends-list et al.?
Message-ID:  <569C9860.9030907@FreeBSD.org>
In-Reply-To: <20160118-7a552ff82b94efc3@tcm.yi.org>
References:  <20160117-122b5781c3b2d8de@tcm.yi.org> <569C5427.3060506@FreeBSD.org> <20160118-7a552ff82b94efc3@tcm.yi.org>

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On 18/01/2016 2:36 PM, lists@tcm.yi.org wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 01:55:35PM +1100, Kubilay Kocak wrote:
>> On 18/01/2016 7:11 AM, lists@tcm.yi.org wrote:
>>> ports/head from around 2015-12-18 had about 15(?) dependencies in
>>> www/py-requests for example. Now it wants to build over 90!
>>>
>>> How can I turn this off? Is this a bug?
>>
>> By definition all-depends means (and should mean) literally all
>> dependencies (*_DEPENDS), so in that regard it makes sense.
> 
> I'm not sure what exactly changed between 2015-12-18 and now.
> Specifically, www/py-requests' Makefile last changed in October,
> but from December to today its all-depends-list grew from
> ~10 to 90.

I see the list at 53 currently, but agreed it's unexpected.

> Mk/Scripts/depends-list.sh also last changed outside the time
> frame in question.
> 
> 
>> Having said that, given the special nature of the test stage (orthogonal
>> and independent to build/run dependencies), it sounds reasonable to ask
>> whether they should be included in the target (all-depends-list) that
>> has otherwise always only meant "what things does this port need to 'work'".
>>
>> My personal opinion is that all-depends-list is fine, and a less
>> encompassing <something-else>-depends-list that only shows actual
>> end-user functional dependencies is needed.
> 
> My problem isn't exactly with all-depends-list, but rather with
> showconfig-recursive and package-recursive, whose dependency list grew
> as well, since they use the same dependency script. I don't want
> to build, package or configure TEST_DEPENDS ports in the course of
> normal package building.

Agreed.

> 
>> This question is also relevant for the case of OPTION'al dependencies
>> (they're not included in all-depends by default unless they're
>> inOPTIONS_DEFAULT too), and would *also* apply if ports/pkg's had (or
>> ever will have) any notion of 'suggested/recommended' but otherwise
>> non-compulsory dependencies like other packaging systems.
> 
> I'm perfectly fine with not dealing with ports that I have
> excluded or that are excluded by default. This is what I would
> expect.
> 
> For the time being, I have changed this line in Mk/bsd.port.mk
> 
> _UNIFIED_DEPENDS=${PKG_DEPENDS} ${EXTRACT_DEPENDS} ${PATCH_DEPENDS} ${FETCH_DEPENDS} ${BUILD_DEPENDS} ${LIB_DEPENDS} ${RUN_DEPENDS} ${TEST_DEPENDS}
> 
> by removing the ${TEST_DEPENDS} variable. Now I get the same
> behaviour as before, but clearly, this is a horrible kludge.
> 
> Mk/bsd.port.mk also had no relevant changes that I can see
> between 2015-12-18 and now.
> 
> So I'm still not sure if this is a bug or not. Is the
> package-recursive target really meant to pull in all
> TEST_DEPENDS ports? I was under the impression that
> tests are exclusively run via 'make test' in the ports tree,
> making it completely irrelevant to binary packages.

Possibly, perhaps there's an unexpected interaction.

I cant answer whether package-recursive *should* or not, but I can say
'yes' confidently to TEST_DEPENDS *ought* only be relevant during test,
or any target that uses test:.

> Thanks and best regards.
> 




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