From owner-freebsd-virtualization@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Nov 14 04:30:09 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: virtualization@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEDC11065673; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:30:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from bzeeb-lists@lists.zabbadoz.net) Received: from mail.cksoft.de (mail.cksoft.de [IPv6:2001:4068:10::3]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83F118FC0C; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:30:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (amavis.fra.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id D594E41C705; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:30:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cksoft.de Received: from mail.cksoft.de ([192.168.74.103]) by localhost (amavis.fra.cksoft.de [192.168.74.71]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7WJA6przmHn3; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:30:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail.cksoft.de (Postfix, from userid 66) id 2F74941C733; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 05:30:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net (maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net [10.111.66.10]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.int.zabbadoz.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95DC04448F3; Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:27:32 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:27:32 +0000 (UTC) From: "Bjoern A. Zeeb" X-X-Sender: bz@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net To: Julian Elischer In-Reply-To: <4CDF1F7E.8000601@freebsd.org> Message-ID: <20101114042427.V78896@maildrop.int.zabbadoz.net> References: <4CDEFC2D.4090908@freebsd.org> <4CDF0D87.70700@freebsd.org> <4CDF1F7E.8000601@freebsd.org> X-OpenPGP-Key: 0x14003F198FEFA3E77207EE8D2B58B8F83CCF1842 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Cc: virtualization@freebsd.org, Jamie Gritton Subject: Re: limitations on jail style virtualization X-BeenThere: freebsd-virtualization@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of various virtualization techniques FreeBSD supports." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2010 04:30:09 -0000 On Sat, 13 Nov 2010, Julian Elischer wrote: > On 11/13/10 2:13 PM, Julian Elischer wrote: >> On 11/13/10 1:55 PM, Brandon Gooch wrote: >>> On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Julian Elischer >>> wrote: >>> >>> Was this brought up in any of the discussions? >>> >>> http://www.7he.at/freebsd/vps/ >> >> no it was not brought up.. >> it was an unofficial non-planned discussion that errupted pretty much >> spontaneously an a couple of couches so it was not prepared in advance.. >> >> Since I don't know much about that project I didn't bring it up. >> However I should take the time to read it.. >> thanks for bringing it up! > > replying to myself: > > Now that I have looked at the reference above I realise that I did look > at it before but during a particularly hectic pereiod of my life so I didn't > really take it in as much as I should have. > > I really do like this and I seen no reason why it can not be all linked > together. > Since I last heard about it, it appears that they have advanced somewhat. > They are already integrating the VIMAGE code into their project, and they > have > extended the VIMAGE mechanism to suite their own purposes. > > It would be nice if they would show up in -virtualization sometimes so we > could > include them into our discussions. > >> >>> I'm not sure if the VPS project pertains directly to what you're >>> talking about, but perhaps some of the code or ideas from the project >>> might? >>> >>> Even if it doesn't, it's still an exciting project that adds a ton of >>> value to FreeBSD's light-weight virtualization strategy. What do think >>> about the VPS concept in relation to the current virtualization effort >>> being put in to jails? It seems to me that recent efforts at >>> virtualizing kernel-level objects makes VPS the future of FreeBSD's >>> virtualization, leaving jails as a great way to isolate >>> applications... >> >> it the approaches are compatible I see no reason to not combine >> but I'll know more when I have read it. > > the approaches are different but not necessarily incompatible > In particular I'd like to hear what Jamie (James Gritton) > thinks about it, as he has most of the jail direction in his head :-) > > I'd certainly like to be able do do many of the things they hope to do (or > have a start at). we had Klaus at the DevSummit in Karlsruhe and he gave a talk at EuroBSDCon as well. See the wiki and the 2010.eurobsdcon.org web page (thought the material should be on his weg page as well). So, yes, we are talking to him, even though I got busy the last weeks. As he's piggybacking on VNET/VIMAGE and there'll me more things he and we'll do, there's certainly code going to be shared (I would hope). /bz -- Bjoern A. Zeeb Welcome a new stage of life. Going to jail sucks -- All my daemons like it! http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_US.ISO8859-1/books/handbook/jails.html