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Date:      Fri, 26 Jul 2002 21:17:00 -0400
From:      "sagacious" <sagacious@unixhideout.com>
To:        <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org>
Subject:   RE: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [support groups]
Message-ID:  <000101c2350b$4ec968d0$0a01a8c0@MIKESBOX>
In-Reply-To: <20020726210341.N20468-100000@earl-grey.cloud9.net>

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You can get x running beautifully if you simply take the time to read
about it and set it up. If they ever integrated X built into the core os
I would piss all over FreeBSD and move to net, open or something else.
The mere thought of that turns my stomach. I love FreeBSD. Don't give
these guys any idea's that are going to make BSD more like windows for
the stupid user that needs everything done for them. Just my two cents.

sagacious (Mike)
Network administrator
The unixhideout network
http://www.unixhideout.com

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
[mailto:owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG] On Behalf Of Peter Leftwich
Sent: Friday, July 26, 2002 9:10 PM
To: Michael Wells
Cc: FreeBSD LIST
Subject: Re: Peter heads back to M$FT WinBloze [support groups]

On Fri, 26 Jul 2002, Michael Wells wrote:
> Peter, I can surely understand your frustrations.  I have has some
real X86
> issues lately and have had to spend literally hours fixing my own
> mistakes trying to upgrade my source.  I am getting hooked on this

Totally the essence of my post and complaint.  FreeBSD is superb... if
you
are comfortable in a text environment.  Can anyone out there among you
imagine being shell-only from Feb 16th 2002 til mid Jul 2002?

Will FreeBSD's core of developers ever leap into integrating X *and* a
window manager (something similar to Windows)?  I surely hope so.

> OS for one reason.  I like the "just because I can part of it".   I
like
> the fact that I have control over things.  I am also excited about the
> chance to start porting some software to FreeBSD.  I guess I am
> an activist at heart.  It's hard for me to sit idly by and watch
others

That reminds me of what I left out of my original post - if you are
someone
who is remotely comfortable with source code and compiling and typing
make
this or make install or make upgrade or build world etc. then FreeBSD is
definitely 100% for you.

> have all the fun.  That being said, I think it would be a long time
before
> I could be totally M$ free as much as I want to.  This list has been
> extremely helpful in getting me through several issues.  One idea

*grin*  Just wanted to say it was good to hear this empathy.

> I have been thinking about is creating local support groups.  I notice
> you are in La Jolla and I am in Carlsbad.  A local call or a stop off
> at the starbucks to exchange some ideas would be an easy task.
> I can imagine several local support groups making up regional groups.
> I am involved with HAM radio and these guys know the meaning
> of community and it's not just on the radio.  I might be dreaming
> but the same could be reality for the BSD community.  What ever
> you choose the best of luck to you!
> Michael

I checked out www.sdbug.org but couldn't determine meeting dates/times.
It
would definitely be a good idea to form our own group and meet
regularly,
maybe more often than monthly.  Could the list moderators post something
on
Aug 1st showing the number of members?  I would be curious to see a
database of our residential zip or area codes too :)

--
Peter Leftwich
President & Founder
Video2Video Services
Box 13692, La Jolla, CA, 92039 USA
+1-413-403-9555


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