From owner-freebsd-bugs Tue Sep 11 14:29:33 2001 Delivered-To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Received: from thuvia.demon.co.uk (thuvia.demon.co.uk [193.237.34.248]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 558F337B405; Tue, 11 Sep 2001 14:29:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dotar-sojat.thuvia.org (dotar-sojat.thuvia.org [10.0.0.4]) by phaidor.thuvia.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f8AIL5Z19669; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:21:06 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark@thuvia.demon.co.uk) Received: (from mark@localhost) by dotar-sojat.thuvia.org (8.11.4/8.11.4) id f8AIKOR76733; Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:20:24 +0100 (BST) (envelope-from mark) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:20:24 +0100 (BST) From: Mark Valentine Message-Id: <200109101820.f8AIKOR76733@dotar-sojat.thuvia.org> X-Mailer: Mail User's Shell (7.2.6 beta(5) 10/07/98) To: freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org Subject: Re: misc/355: policy on /usr/local permission in base release Cc: phk@freebsd.org, jdp@polstra.com Sender: owner-freebsd-bugs@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.org phk> I think this one has been overtaken by events, in particular phk> the existence of the ports-collection makes this somewhat surreal... Actually this is one of the few reasons I almost completely avoid the standard packages, because of what they do to my /usr/local, which I've maintained on many platforms according to my own policies for a decade and a half. I maintain a one-line patch to BSD.usr.dist and generally never install packages (until now the exception being linux_base, which doesn't touch /usr/local). I just got bitten by this policy conflict by (dumbly) installing the cvsup port (I guess I must have just untarred the bits I needed from previous versions), and my /usr/local permissions are hosed once again. :-( It sure makes a big difference to me being able to install things like netscape into /usr/local without having to trust random install scripts to run as root. If only FreeBSD "vendor" packages had installed to /usr/pkg or /usr/opt... Since this isn't likely to go away, I guess it's finally time for me to pick up and move all my own stuff out of its rightful place, /usr/local, and hope that I don't meet a third party binary which insists on installing there. (Thankfully I already use /usr/gnu for much local software, and /usr/ for proprietary packages.) Mark. -- Mark Valentine, Thuvia Labs "Tigers will do ANYTHING for a tuna fish sandwich." Mark Valentine uses "We're kind of stupid that way." *munch* *munch* and endorses FreeBSD -- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-bugs" in the body of the message