From owner-freebsd-net@freebsd.org Fri Feb 1 12:00:55 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-net@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F109314AE063; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:00:54 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7212A8A44F; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 12:00:53 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x11C0oDo022639; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 04:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x11C0oDw022638; Fri, 1 Feb 2019 04:00:50 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201902011200.x11C0oDw022638@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: Reminder: FCP-101: pending removal of some 10/100 Ethernet drivers In-Reply-To: <20190201092048.GA23409@ymer.vnode.se> To: Joel Dahl Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2019 04:00:50 -0800 (PST) CC: Brooks Davis , freebsd-net@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 7212A8A44F X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.974,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-net@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Networking and TCP/IP with FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2019 12:00:55 -0000 > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 11:43:44PM +0000, Brooks Davis wrote: > > We are currently planning to remove the following less-popular 10/100 > > Ethernet drivers in the March/April timeframe: > > > > ae, bm, cs, de, dme, ed, ep, ex, fe, pcn, sf, sn, tl, tx, txp, vx, wb, xe > > > > All of these drivers generate warnings in FreeBSD 12 and to the best of > > my knowledge, none have cleared the bar specified in the FCP[0]: > > > > https://github.com/freebsd/fcp/blob/master/fcp-0101.md > > Hi, > > The above document states that the support lifetime for FreeBSD 12 is 2023. > > The expected EOL (but not decided) for 12 is June 30, 2020 however, according to Can someone please go revise where ever this is posted based on the 18 month minima that was set to simply state "undetermined", people are reading too much into the date posted there. > https://www.freebsd.org/security/security.html#sup > > So, hardware in some of my machines will only be supported until sometime next > year. Brooks, Given that at the time FCP-101 was written part of it was based on the assumption of a 5 year life time for 12.0. Since that assumption is now invalid, and worse, unknown, I would ask that until a decision about the life of 12.0 is made we back off on the FCP-101 process and not do anything about removing drivers until that support model adjustment is finalized and we can evaluate the impact on FCP-101's assumption. Regards, -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org