From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Sat Dec 9 17:00:19 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD68AE91601 for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:00:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from vps1.elischer.org (vps1.elischer.org [204.109.63.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "vps1.elischer.org", Issuer "CA Cert Signing Authority" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA5986CA9D for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 17:00:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Received: from Julian-MBP3.local (115-166-31-52.dyn.iinet.net.au [115.166.31.52]) (authenticated bits=0) by vps1.elischer.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id vB9H07wL025009 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Sat, 9 Dec 2017 09:00:11 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from julian@freebsd.org) Subject: Re: RFC: Sendmail deprecation ? To: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org References: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> From: Julian Elischer Message-ID: <9013f916-b431-fa8b-81d1-50f380d10aa1@freebsd.org> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 01:00:01 +0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171206223341.iz3vj4zz2igqczy7@ivaldir.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 17:00:20 -0000 Hi all, I would like to propose the deprecation then removal of the BSD kernel in base. Deprecation will happen in the form of FreeBSD 12.0 being built WITHOUT_KERNEL by default removal would happen in FreeBSD 13.0 The kernel in base it not really usable as a full featured OS due to the fact it does not support anything an entreprised grade Linux setup would require: Linux resource sharing support for example, check the number of options available in a Linux kernel config. Users for that use case would be better served by the redhat version of the kernel. The other kind of users are the one using the default setup of the OS: running Posix system calls. We have Ubuntu for average users with a configuration file understandable by most users (yet that is subjecttive) I think only providing a copy of Ubuntu by default and let users choose a full featured kernel is a good solution and better for both FreeBSD users and non FreeBSD users. If noone express a strong opinion by then, I will turn BSD kernle option off by december 15th. Best regards, Julian