From owner-freebsd-pf@freebsd.org Mon Apr 1 16:47:36 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-pf@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A42F1569197 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 16:47:36 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B87577710E; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 16:47:35 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: from gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id x31GlWKK016224; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd-rwg@localhost) by gndrsh.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id x31GlWgv016223; Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd-rwg) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201904011647.x31GlWgv016223@gndrsh.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r345760 - in head: contrib/pf sys/netpfil/pf sbin/pfctl In-Reply-To: To: Kristof Provost Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 09:47:32 -0700 (PDT) CC: rgrimes@freebsd.org, "Andrey V. Elsukov" , Mateusz Guzik , freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: B87577710E X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.97 / 15.00]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; REPLY(-4.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.97)[-0.973,0] X-BeenThere: freebsd-pf@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Technical discussion and general questions about packet filter \(pf\)" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2019 16:47:36 -0000 > On 1 Apr 2019, at 15:48, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > >> On 01.04.2019 16:30, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > >> It seems it is too late: > >> https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-tech&m=155409489427092&w=2 > > > > I am wondering on the above as it has a date of: > > Date: 2019-04-01 5:01:03 > > > > which would be in line with Kristof's joke. > > > Yes, OpenBSD are clearly joking as well. :-) > >> http://mail-index.netbsd.org/tech-kern/2019/03/29/msg024883.html > > This is inline with what is being proposed here, NetBSD has > > old rotted code that needs updated. > > [Disclaimer: I do not speak for NetBSD, and based this on my reading of > that thread] > > NetBSD however are serious. > Their situation is slightly different, in that their primary reason is > that they don?t have a maintainer for their pf version and it?s > suffering from significant bitrot. > > Our situation is somewhat better. Our pf is maintained and does get bug > fixes and improvements. Not as many as I?d like, but there?s > something. I know for a fact that there is desire, with financials avaliable, to get our code updated. I do not think there is any specific criteria desired, other than moved closer to the OpenBSD version. > > Rather than do that work > > twice, do it 1.5 times (implementing the same technology in > > 2 OS's should be less work than doing it twice.) > > > > I believe there is grant money avaliable from a non Foundation > > source that could be used to do this work. > > > I?m not at all opposed to updating our pf, but there are a few > obstacles (technical: performance, syntax and vimage. Practical: this is > a lot of work). If people are interested in that discussion I?d > propose someone start a new thread on freebsd-pf@, and I?ll expand on > what I think the problems are and what needs to be done. I have forwarded this mail onto that list, including those who did respond: Andrey V. Elsukov , Mateusz Guzik to the commit, with my comments here. > I?d also be interested in knowing what people are looking for from an > updated pf in FreeBSD. What are the improvements in OpenBSD that you?d > really like to see in FreeBSD? I need to bring the person I spoke with at IETF/104 into this discussion, they can provide additional details. Sadly I wrote down the wrong email address, but have resources to get the right one just going to take me a day. > Regards, > Kristof -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org